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Taylormade
26-06-2008, 09:36 PM
Hi,

I have been unable to find a list of finishes available. Would someone be able to provide a complete list?

Thanks!

A.S.
27-06-2008, 10:10 PM
The current situation regarding veneer availability at June 2008 ...

Standard domestic finishes:

Cherry
Eucalyptus

Standard professional finish:

Texture grey - M20. M30 M40.1 only

Specials - not always available, tend to be for limited editions

Rosenut
Tiger Ebony

Very special:

Santos rosewood

Don Sawall
03-12-2008, 04:59 PM
I think a walnut finish would be attractive if you were ever to consider adding to your availabe choices of veneer.

Thanks,
Don

Jmohd
31-01-2009, 06:03 AM
Hi Alan,

What veneer are these?

Pictures are taken from CES & THE Show 2009 Report - Enjoy the Music.com

1) M40.1 Speaker

http://www.enjoythemusic.com/ces2009/becker1/7180.jpg

2) P3 Speaker

http://www.enjoythemusic.com/ces2009/becker1/7179.jpg

Thanks

Don Leman
31-01-2009, 04:29 PM
The M40.1's are Eucalyptus.

The P3's are likely Rosenut. Santos rosewood is similar but I don't think has been available for a while

A.S.
31-01-2009, 09:21 PM
Thanks Don. Almost correct. Actually, that pair of P3ESR (the master reference pair) were in santos rosewood.

Background situation: there are just a handful of cabinet makers in the UK serving the domestic speaker industry these days, and profit seems to continuously elude them*. Our concern for some years has been the nightmare 'what-if' scenario should there be any further unexpected contraction in that already narrow supply base. Perhaps surprisingly, there are others who seem willing and able to enter the supply chain now with the right quality and who seem to be able to source beautiful veneers at a realistic and reasonable price for our customers. But we need to winkle-out these suppliers.

We have no intention of again being dependent on one or two suppliers such that they can can double - yes double - the price of our cabinets when we ask for 'exotic' veneers. We have also suffered price increases ranging (in the last twelve months) from 22% to 31% on our cost of cabinets which of course we just can't pass on to you. If we can introduce new suppliers, match or even improve quality and keep costs down and customer choices up I'm going to do just that. My staff and I want to work with rosewood and ebony again - we miss it and you want it - but we're not going to be screwed (that's how it seems) again. Single sourcing was always a risky strategy and we've learned the hard way.

* As UK hifi brands have been acquired and moved to Asia, speaker production in the UK has shrunk. There are very few of us left solely manufacturing speaker systems in the UK. As the industry has shrunk from hundreds of companies to just a handful, so has the supply of material to the industry contracted. I don't think that you can buy UK made capacitors or resistors any more, nor can you buy ferrite magnets or voice coils ... thanks to government policy, manufacturing in the UK is almost finished. So, for us to survive and grow, we need to work with the realities of the supply situation and always be aware of the spectre of further contraction of suppliers. During the last year or two, we have invested heavily in purchasing stock of small, critical piece-parts to protect us (and you) but warehousing is itself expensive.

Jmohd
01-02-2009, 01:20 AM
Thanks Don & Alan

I / we will be waiting for the good news. :)

Lorpuris
16-06-2009, 02:48 AM
Alan,

As far as the new P3ESR is concerned: After the back log of orders are filled, is there likely to be a special edition regarding cabinet choice other than the Cherry and Eucalyptus ? With this comes the understanding that there would likely be a premium for a more exotic wood species. I love my Cherry SHL5's , but something more exotic would be welcomed !

A.S.
16-06-2009, 08:21 AM
Actually if you look on page 2 of the May 09 Newsletter you can see the article "rosewood returns". Here (http://www.harbeth.co.uk/usergroup/showthread.php?p=5065#post5065). To quote "To celebrate the conclusion of the four-year design process, Harbeth is delighted to be offering a rosewood veneer finish. ?This reminds me of the glorious days when we were proud to offer this stunning finish?, says production chief Andy Sinden". There is a picture of a rosewood cabinet. As you would expect for a natural veneer from cabinet pair to cabinet pair there are differences between the veneer patterns but all look exotic.

I can assure you that I would not have exposed the rosewood P3ESR prototype to public scrutiny back in January 09 at THE Show in Las Vegas if I hadn't been willing to actually offer rosewood! We have substantial orders for rosewood and we have plenty of cabinet stock on order.

As to backlogs and lead time : I need to cover this in more detail as a separate post, but there may be some misunderstandings. Briefly, a consumer manufacturing business cannot operate efficiently without a production lead time. If I look back over the past 32 years I can see that, on average, our lead time is about 14 weeks from order in to order out the door. That's 14 weeks ? 4 weeks.

Why is this necessary? Why can't we take orders on a Friday for delivery Monday next?

Many reasons, but the two most significant are limited storage space for cabinets and finished speakers and the lead time for piece parts.

What do you mean 'lead time for piece parts'? How does that effect production?

Well, of the 14 weeks (our average lead time) about 12 weeks represents our position in the order queue at our cabinet makers .... they too have a lead time for wood and veneer from their suppliers and those suppliers have a lead time for felling trees and preparing the veneer .... and so on. So you see, we don't just dream up a lead time to irritate our customers, we have no choice but to pass on the cumulative lead time throughout the entire supply and manufacturing chain and ask our trade customers to plan ahead and form an orderly queue! Every manufacturing business operates this way from Sony downwards. Even though you can buy a Sony tv or Mercedes car at the local store for immediate delivery do not think that big companies have short manufacturing lead time: they don't - they insist that their sales channels buy stock whether they want to or not. We don't operate like that - we don't force stock onto anyone.

When will Harbeth's lead time drop to zero?

I sincerely hope that it never will. That would imply that we had no orders on hand and that our suppliers were awash with unsold materials which they could deliver to us immediately. There will always be a lead time - and I guess that it will continue at about ave. 14 weeks. But that really shouldn't effect the consumer at all. It actually doesn't matter whether our manufacturing lead time is 4, 14 or 40 weeks: the flow to the market will still be the same providing orders are regularly placed on us.

harbethpr
16-06-2009, 01:59 PM
I've been downstairs to production and delightfully they are making the very first batch of P3ESR. They're rosewood! I have take a couple of pictures which shows the typical variations in veneer between paired cabinets; all look wonderful.

Alan's youngest son David is seen on the right. He's on holiday from University and he's helping out on the P3ESR production line. In fact he is just completing his placement year in industry (at Fujitsu UK) and returns to University for his final year in September.

beaker
21-10-2009, 12:05 AM
Would it be possible to get an update on veneer availability? It seems that Eucalyptus is hard to find in the US.


The current situation regarding veneer availability at June 2008 ...

Standard domestic finishes:

Cherry
Eucalyptus

Standard professional finish:

Texture grey - M20. M30 M40.1 only

Specials - not always available, tend to be for limited editions

Rosenut
Tiger Ebony

Very special:

Santos rosewood

dzeikei
21-10-2009, 12:48 AM
I've ordered a pair of Compact 7's in maple, hope I'll get it in that finish too :).

A.S.
21-10-2009, 12:45 PM
Here is the situation today. This may well change depending upon many factors so please always check with your dealer to avoid disappointment.

WE DO NOT OFFER ALL MODELS IN ALL VENEERS IN ALL MARKETS! There are many economic and marketing reasons why individual markets take some models/veneers and not others. We cannot become involved in discussing or changing these business decisions made by local distributors!

The current situation regarding veneer availability at October 2009 is:

Standard domestic finishes:

Cherry (all models)
Maple (P3ESR only) A few pairs of C7ES3 available incl. pair for Finnish customer*
Black ash (P3ESR only)

Premium domestic finish:

Eucalyptus (not available on P3ESR)

Standard professional finish:

Texture grey - M20, M30, M40.1 only

Luxury finish:

Rosewood (all models)

Very special:

Tiger ebony (later this year, some models hopefully - please ask your dealer! This will not be a continuously available veneer so if you have the chance to buy it, please do so).

* Please note: these and all other speakers on order will be delivered as per Order Confirmations issued relative to the back-order pipeline, currently full to Feb 2010.

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dzeikei
22-10-2009, 12:12 PM
Thanks Alan for the update. I'll happily wait till february as I now know I'll get the finish I really wanted.

vaughn3d
28-10-2009, 05:15 PM
Does anyone have a picture of a Rosewood C7es3? thanks

Jmohd
28-10-2009, 06:59 PM
wow!! Tiger is on offer again.
It's sad for me, good news came too late. Already made an order for other veneer (Rosewood-beautiful too) and its due to arrive soon.... will always be dreaming of the TIGER (very special)

A.S.
29-10-2009, 09:37 AM
We don't have any cabinets made-up yet, but next week we will be making rosewood C7ES3 and also M40.1. We have a professional photographer booked (coincidentally) for Friday, so one way or another we should be able to let you have some pix next week.

scottloots
29-10-2009, 07:26 PM
Any planned for production runs of the P3ESR in black ash soon? This will be the finish I need, USA shipment.

Thanks

ryder
29-10-2009, 11:51 PM
If there is a P3ESR in tiger ebony finish, please kindly post it here. Thanks.

harbethpr
03-11-2009, 01:48 PM
Here is a quick picture we've taken today of rosewood C7ES3 on the production bench. On this computer screen, the colour looks very close to what we see in daylight, but that may vary acocrding to your own screen and graphics.

Sebastien
30-03-2010, 05:41 PM
Hi everyone! This is my first post on the Harbeth User Group (HUG). First, I'd like to thank you all. This forum is mature, interesting and complete. I read a lot of posts since I'm planning to buy a pair of SHL5 in the next month. A wonderful speaker that I had the chance to hear twice in the last month.

Concerning the finish, is there someone who can show me pictures of the current production of the SHL5 in rosewood finish?

Thank you,

Sebastien
Montreal, Canada

P.s. please note that French is my first language. I'll try to do my best to keep myself understood.

EricW
30-03-2010, 06:52 PM
Bonjour, Sebastien, et bienvenue chez Harbeth! Ne vous inquiétez pas: votre anglais est excellent.

Sebastien
30-03-2010, 10:00 PM
Merci pour l'accueil.

Sebastien

KT88
30-03-2010, 10:15 PM
Hello, Sebastien

I'm not sure you can get SHL 5's in rosewood, but here's a shot of them in rosenut, a cobination of rosewood/walnut

http://pic8.audiogon.com/i/c/f/1269486764.jpg

You'll love them whatever the finish-welcome aboard!

Bob LaBarca
State College, PA
USA

kittykat
30-03-2010, 10:24 PM
Hi Sebastien

i hope this finds you...


http://www.flickr.com/photos/21595634@N05/4476761925/

http://www.flickr.com/photos/21595634@N05/4476761935/


it really is a beautiful finish. think the first photo is a slightly better representation, more dark brown than "red". Think the second photo is slightly lighter than what my eyes tell me. i am happy with the rosewood choice because my personal feeling if i chose a lighter coloured wood, it might draw more attention to themselves and also look "bigger" in my small living room - like a car.

welcome!

kittykat

Sebastien
31-03-2010, 12:56 AM
Wow! I really like the rosewood finish. It will help me in my decision.

I have just sold my pair of Audio Physic Virgo III in a similar color. I loved the color but I'm looking for a more natural sound which I found with the SHL5.

Sebastien

kittykat
31-03-2010, 01:39 AM
yes, somehow the speakers remind me of the musical boxes of rouge. something you want to touch and feel. no other speaker finish has done this for me, maybe except an old walnut pair of scan dynas from the 70's.

Sebastien
01-04-2010, 05:14 PM
There is a friend of mine who belives that like a musical instrument made of wood, a same speaker can sound different depending wood difference. About that, I'd like to know if an Harbeth speaker is made entirely of real wood or if it contains MDF (small particules of wood and glue)? Plus, is there only a small sheet of real wood on top of it with MDF below?

Thanks,

Sebastien

TSH59
01-04-2010, 05:50 PM
There is a friend of mine who belives that like a musical instrument made of wood, a same speaker can sound different depending wood difference. About that, I'd like to know if an Harbeth speaker is made entirely of real wood or if it contains MDF (small particules of wood and glue)? Plus, is there only a small sheet of real wood on top of it with MDF below?

In this thread (http://www.harbeth.co.uk/usergroup/showthread.php?351-BBC-style-thin-wall-cabinets.-Why-so-special&p=2660) Alan explains the 'thin-wall' construction.

From what I can gather (I may be wrong) the panels are 9mm MDF in a sandwich of veneers (veneered inside and out) and damped with strategically placed bitumen panels. (The thin wall allows some flexure at a known frequency but the flexure converts to heat in the bitumen panel thus damping any audible effect.)

Also having a box made of thinner (than usual) panels made around a 'frame' of battens with front and rear panels that are screwed on gives a 'lossy' construction due to having lots of joints that can dissipate energy before it gets a chance to travel around the whole box. A normal mass produced thick MDF box with everything tongue & grooved and glued together would be 'seen' by unwanted energy as one large piece of wood and go around and around it without hitting a joint or gap.

That is my (possibly flawed) interpretation.

EricW
01-04-2010, 06:14 PM
I believe there is one other company that follows the "thin-wall" construction technique but uses plywood rather than MDF. I have seen certain other speaker companies (not building in the BBC style) tout plywood (e.g. birch ply) as superior to MDF due to greater rigidity. Not sure however if that's true, or if it matters.

My understanding is also that Harbeth uses veneered MDF with damping applied. I wonder however if Alan might comment on whether there's any practical difference between MDF and plywood.

TSH59
01-04-2010, 06:18 PM
Spendor claim 'thin-wall' construction for their S3/5R model.

EB acoustics use an MDF/ply/bitumen laminate (that they call Arcayne) but I don't know any more details.

EricW
01-04-2010, 06:57 PM
ProAc also claims thin-wall construction, with birch-ply panels and bitumen.

harbethpr
01-04-2010, 10:44 PM
The words "check it for yourself" and "impossible" come to mind.

dzeikei
07-04-2010, 11:55 PM
Maple (P3ESR only) A few pairs of C7ES3 available incl. pair for Finnish customer*

Hi Alan! Is there any new info according to the production of maple C7's :)?

kittykat
08-04-2010, 06:29 AM
ProAc also claims thin-wall construction, with birch-ply panels and bitumen.

Im happy to be corrected but afaik proacs are mdf. Their philosophy might be different, they are not thin wall but thick hard solid bonded stuff. If you gently knock on their cabinets, they go “tock tock tock” unlike the “Tud tud tud” of Harbeths. Imho, i don’t consider Proac, like many others, speaker makers (philosophy more akin to diy off the shelf guys), as they don’t make any of their drivers as far as I know. It makes them basically cabinet guys and crossover tweakers, ditto Wilson Audio etc.

A.S.
08-04-2010, 08:51 AM
I don't know the range in question (frankly, I don't need to) but one defining feature of the 'thin wall' BBC cabinet is removable front and/or back or both front and back. If both the front panel and back panel are glued into position, regardless of the actual thickness of the panel walls, the box cannot be tuned. And tuning of the cabinet is critical to achieving the Harbeth sound. So, the first thing to look for is which panels are held in by screws. And yes, if you buy drive units for beer money from vast factories churning them out by the tens or hundreds or thousands each day then you cannot realistically expect sophisticated engineering. At the very best, you could expect a stable QC assuming that all the variables were well understood and controlled. But there again, even that can't be assumed.

I'm always incredulous that the consumer will pay $50,000 for a pair of admittedly novel or beautiful speakers using mass produced drive unit with a total rolled-up package cost to the manufacturer as low as $500 - or less. Possibly much less. To my mind that is complete madness - as foolish as buying a brand new, upper range BMW with an engine made in a Soviet factory during WW2. The car would indeed be impressive from the outside but a test run would reveal the performance was incapable of concealing the fundamental weakness of the engine.

orkney
08-04-2010, 03:48 PM
I just received my P3ESRs in maple, and very beautiful they are, too. I did notice a few points where the surface was raised, almost bumpy, no doubt where the wood was originally knotted. Wondering if these spots are likely to "erupt" and possibly split, or whether the wood is stabilized? It's a remarkable finish, almost butterscotchy, and does lovely things with caught light.

best,

o

Sebastien
08-04-2010, 05:47 PM
... I did notice a few points where the surface was raised, almost bumpy, no doubt where the wood was originally knotted. Wondering if these spots are likely to "erupt" and possibly split, or whether the wood is stabilized? ...

I also saw something similar at a dealer recently. It was from one of his demo SHL5 speaker with the cherry finish. I was surprised about that and also wonder what would happen with this wood in the future.

Sebastien

Thanos
09-04-2010, 05:54 AM
I'm always incredulous that the consumer will pay $50,000 for a pair of admittedly novel or beautiful speakers using mass produced drive unit with a total rolled-up package cost to the manufacturer as low as $500 - or less. Possibly much less. To my mind that is complete madness - as foolish as buying a brand new, upper range BMW with an engine made in a Soviet factory during WW2. The car would indeed be impressive from the outside but a test run would reveal the performance was incapable of concealing the fundamental weakness of the engine.

Guys,
only eyes can see. Ears can't. Ears listen. What if Alan would design a speaker with a single custom full range cone, screwed on a low density fibreboard, wich would play heavenly? Would you buy it? Because I would...
The rest of the story is good food -and income of course- for another modern successful invention of our consumer world, the psychologists.
By the way, I don't remember any famous maestro or orchestra performer, or great music artist, having paid a fortune for exotic speakers or components... At least here in my country, where I happen to know a a lot of them...
Cheers,
Thanos

kittykat
09-04-2010, 07:31 AM
incredulous that the consumer will pay $50,000...

sure beats me. somehow somewhere along the way "modern art" came into the picture. strange but true. something to ponder over the weekend.

A.S.
09-04-2010, 02:57 PM
There are tremendius variations in veneer and there is no such thing as a 'perfect veneer'. What you or I may consider beautiful another would not be willing to sacrifice a glass-like finish for and vice versa. We weed out cabinets we're not entirely confident about and destroy them; no cabinet maker would take back what he would consider a natural feature just because we didn't fancy it.

When looked after properly (as recommended, not in direct sunlight, no localised heat nearby) I'm not aware of any long term degradation. But, as always, you have nothing to lose by Registering your speakers and benefiting from the first owner's extended warranty if you meet the Warranty extension criteria.

One thing I'd like to add about protecting your investment: I've seen a pair recently in the home of a hesvy smoker. Ignoring the destructive effect on his lungs, the speakers tell their own shocking story from the veneer to the terminals, the domes and diaphragms. For that reason we intend to review the Warranty admissability. If you do smoke please think about this carefully.

Sebastien
10-04-2010, 02:02 AM
...By the way, I don't remember any famous maestro or orchestra performer, or great music artist, having paid a fortune for exotic speakers or components... At least here in my country, where I happen to know a a lot of them...
Thanos

I know that Keith Jarrett, a close friend of mine (joking), is a proud owner of Verity Audio Parsifal Ovation speakers (serious). Those beautiful sounding speakers are proudly make in Quebec City, in the country where I live. For these, you will pay 4 times the price of a SHL5 pair... Does the sound is 4 times better? Yours to judge.

Sebastien

Gan CK
10-04-2010, 05:51 AM
I know that Keith Jarrett, a close friend of mine (joking), is a proud owner of Verity Audio Parsifal Ovation speakers (serious). Those beautiful sounding speakers are proudly make in Quebec City, in the country where I live. For these, you will pay 4 times the price of a SHL5 pair... Does the sound is 4 times better? Yours to judge.

Sebastien

Oh in Singapore the Verity Pasifal Ovation costs almost 8 times more than an SHL-5.......

keithwwk
10-04-2010, 01:44 PM
Owning sky-high price hifi, for some people, is a status indicator rather than music related.

A.S.
10-04-2010, 03:21 PM
Setting the retail selling price is an interesting conundrum for a consumer product manufacturer - one of the most difficult business decisions that he will ever make. Too expensive and he'll kill the product at birth. Too cheap and he'll go bust. But there is a wide margin between these two ill defined extremes.

My view is simple; for the long run we have to make a profit to be here when you need us. And unusually in this industry, we do. But I positively seek to set the retail price not as high but as low as possible. The thinking here is that each speaker we sell is by far our best advert for bringing new customers, since once you've gravitated to the Harbeth sound there really is nowhere else to go: it's the final destination on your speaker journey. So we can minimise the selling price not wasting (is that the right word?) money on marketing promotion as happy customers are doing that for us free. So overall, whatever revenue we lose out on by lowering the selling price we partially or more cover by not having a sales and marketing department with the tremendous on-cost they inevitably incur.

Alan in Hong Kong

hifi_dave
10-04-2010, 07:56 PM
While Alan is away in Hong Kong I can say this and hope he won't notice.

Harbeth speakers are very good value.

Several HiFi industry friends have been absolutely stunned at how good the Harbeth range sounds and how well made they are. When they find out the prices, they are amazed at how reasonable they are.

Thanos
11-04-2010, 06:51 AM
While Alan is away in Hong Kong I can say this and hope he won't notice.

Harbeth speakers are very good value.

Several HiFi industry friends have been absolutely stunned at how good the Harbeth range sounds and how well made they are. When they find out the prices, they are amazed at how reasonable they are.

Right to the point... Several years ago I had the luck to discuss pricing stragedy with a friend -he is a Msc degree owner in Financial planning from the London School of Economics- who was absolutely positive as for product rotation based on keeping low profit margins. "This, he said, is a rule to keep you alive and keep on going in the market, as far as your product has a role in it, and not just be a kind of consumption's fashions... The less (but not ridiculously low) profit you make per unit, the more you live and become well established..." It makes sense, doesn't it? Especially today.
Dave, it doesn't matter wether Alan will notice (laugh) or not. We both know what an excellent and sensitive person he is, regarding the consumer society... Isn't he?
Cheers,
Thanos

Double D
11-04-2010, 12:52 PM
I know that Keith Jarrett, a close friend of mine (joking), is a proud owner of Verity Audio Parsifal Ovation speakers (serious). Those beautiful sounding speakers are proudly make in Quebec City, in the country where I live. For these, you will pay 4 times the price of a SHL5 pair... Does the sound is 4 times better? Yours to judge.

Sebastien

I *was* a proud owner of Verity Parsifal Ovations...let's just say, I'm now a "prouder" owner of a pair of Harbeth Monitor 30's ..

A.S.
23-04-2010, 12:54 AM
We've been experimenting for some time with offering a selection of high gloss (HG) finishes. Legally we cannot say that these are truly 'piano black' or other colours because the truly piano grade finish involves many layers of very hard coating. And that changes the sound of the thin-walled cabinet too much. So we've settled on a thick PU finish which to the untrained eye looks like a 'piano finish' but still has the flexibility we associate with the Harbeth/BBC thin-wall cabinets. It's not as completely scratch resistant as a piano finish but it's still remarkably resistant and in normal use should be adequately hard wearing.

Different models look better in different colours, just as cars do. For example, the P3ESR looks great in high-gloss (HG) white; the C7ES3 in HG black; the M401 Pro in a HG gunmetal BMW-like finish and the SHL5 in a bright metallic gold and M30 a deep red cherry. Those are just a few possible combinations. Now before we get carried away with enthusiasm there are some practical matters to consider. The HG finish is, of course, sprayed onto the cabinet, not dipped. That spray has to penetrate in and around the narrow front grille-channel which it's reluctant to do. That means that the HG finishing quality around the channel is not quite as even or perfect as the rest of the cabinet because it's onto the open-grain of the base (MDF) wood. This should not be an issue because we do recommend the grille should be on at all times but it is an inescapable fact. It's a small matter but I should point this out to you in advance. We'll probably do a limited run of about 100 pairs or so to test the market more fully.

At Harbeth UK there are some physical handling issue we are examining but in theory we should be able to make a final decision on a limited run of these HG cabinets shortly if you are interested. We have floated this concept at the request of a particular UK dealer who has seen and approved the samples and now feel confident to proceed generally.

Thanos
23-04-2010, 04:48 AM
Alan,

You just never rest! If a day passes and won't do research and trials and new inventions on this and that, then something's wrong, God must have slept, as we say here!

Anyway, at a second thought and look, I'll vote for the "old school" finishes. You can't imagine (actually you certainly can), how great the good old finishes match the looks and concept of the entire range... I think this somehow vintage looks outside, married with the wise top notch technology inside, is what gives Harbeth the uniqueness it has, that performs and stands out and above of any "antagonism". And, most certainly, I have fallen in love with your most delicious (IMHO) "dish" of all, which is the eucalyptus finish of course...

Any "eye catching" high gloss finish that you'll ever create and run would probably be a new "siren", yet I shall still be forever dedicated to my eucalyptus SHL5s... Couldn't be lovelier...
Cheers,
Thanos

P.S. : By the way, EUCALYPTUS is a purely ancient Greek word! It is the EFKALIPTOS- (ΕΥΚΑΛΥΠΤΟΣ in Greek) tree. EF (ΕΥ)= Good, nice, well, while KALIPTOS (ΚΑΛΥΠΤΟΣ) comes from the verb ΚΑΛΥΠΤΩ (=COVER) and means the one which is beautifully, well covered or dressed (with leaves of course). The tree that is beautifully and well covered with leaves... Isn't this very nice, poetic also?

tozen
23-04-2010, 11:30 AM
While on the subject of speaker finishes.... not only do I love the eucalyptus as well (it is especially beautiful when the daylight illumines a subtle underlying pinky-orangey hue), but I like the satin-like finish that my P3ESR's have, smoother than on the cabinets of the SHL5's. That is just the way I would choose it - the larger speaker having a completely natural feel to the wood veneer, the smaller speaker a silky, smoother finish.

PeterF
24-04-2010, 03:32 AM
Alan: I'm sure your answer will be "no" but let me ask: Given the importance of resonance/lossy cabinet design to Harbeth performance, could there be any perceptible sonic difference among the cabinet finishes used if the veneer was thick enough? It would not be unreasonable to speculate that since woods have different hardness levels, density and porosity there could be a sonic difference. Your post on new finishes got me thinking and as I'm contemplating another Harbeth purchase I thought I'd ask...

A.S.
24-04-2010, 04:13 AM
... It would not be unreasonable to speculate that since woods have different hardness levels, density and porosity there could be a sonic difference....Good question. I'm no expert on wood, but the veneer is only about 0.5 mm thick on top of a base material of at least 9mm. I suspect that any minute differences in the veneer material will be swamped once it is securely bonded to the base layer. It's one of those issues that I personally wouldn't worry about - I'd chose a veneer solely on its appearance and comfort in your home.

Spindrift
01-08-2011, 07:53 AM
Having joined HUG only very recently, I just spotted this thread and Alan's mention of the possible HG finish options. I've already bought a new pair of wonderful Santos rosewood P3ESRs but it will be good to know about future options as far as new finishes are concerned.

Will HG finishes become available in regular production, and are there photographs of (for instance) P3's and/or C7ES3's in HG (two of my favourite Harbeth models)?

Could walnut become part of the Harbeth veneer-prorgamme?

Somehow, walnut (esp. dark walnut) feels like a perfect wood finish for classic BBC monitors (I've owned several makes of LS3/5a and Rogers monitors in walnut).