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coredump
12-01-2010, 12:42 PM
Hi

Which is the favourite CDP that you are using or have used? can share with us?

leave those TT, servers, tuner aside for the time being

:)

Thanos
12-01-2010, 01:50 PM
Hi

Which is the favourite CDP that you are using or have used? can share with us?

leave those TT, servers, tuner aside for the time being

:)

Hi,

I'm using a Meridian 507 since 2003 without a single problem. No XLR conns, but I belong to those who doubt their so widely proclaimed superiority, especially against quality RCAs. My amp also (McIntosh MA 6500) doesn't provide such conns, so no thinking about it. A very nice and neutral all rounder, also matching very well indeed with warm & sweet sounding amps - IMHO of course. It didn't cost a fortune, anyhow I don't believe in skyhigh priced cdp's, I'd rather pay a good sum for a fine vinyl system... (which I -thanks God- already have).
I also run a Yamaha CDR1500-HDD, which is very heavy and enough complicated, but does perform very well (especially in record/write mode), although a bit noisy while the the HDD works. For the money, it's a damn good machine!

Paris Kotsis
12-01-2010, 02:40 PM
I have been using Naim CD5x for some years now and recently added a Flatcap2x power supply with great results. It has been and still is an absolutely "honest" reference source with all Harbeth models and all kinds of music I have bought these years.

macraddy
12-01-2010, 03:38 PM
Sugden Masterclass CDP - The most natural sounding digital source I?ve heard. Inexpensive too.

nicedoc441
12-01-2010, 05:32 PM
Meridian 508.24 cd player.

I want a Sugden Masterclass at some point.

Also listen to Radio 3 on my Audiolab tuner - very good indeed!

macraddy
12-01-2010, 07:26 PM
Meridian 508.24 cd player.

I want a Sugden Masterclass at some point.

Also listen to Radio 3 on my Audiolab tuner - very good indeed!

Ooo ? live recitals from Radio 3 are stunning on a nice tuner ? good work!

Shutterbox
13-01-2010, 03:09 AM
Opera Consonance CD120 Linear.

Smooth player

douga
13-01-2010, 06:14 AM
Naim CD5X w/Flatcap 2X. Very nice sounding.

keithwwk
13-01-2010, 07:07 AM
Marantz CD17mkIII, Marantz CD6000KI and a Modded Lite Tube Dac 50.

Haddock
13-01-2010, 12:36 PM
YBA CD1 in the double external power supply version: extremely transparent, precise, neutral and dynamic, yet with texture, body , fabulous tonality... liquid, delicate, refined. Great soundstaging and imaging, too.

I also have an EAR Acute with nos siemens valves: very close to the YBA in everything if not quite as transparent and with the same clarity.

Some "vintage" cdp's sound very good and will last (YBA's, Meridian 506, 507, 508, Revox 226, Teac VRDP 10 ...) because the mechanical part was much better and there was a greater choice of chips available, allowing to take the signal right after conversion and customize it.
Today's most expensive CDP's use cheap cdrom heads or the only still made for audio (Philips PRO2) which is still a far cry from the best made 20 years ago. And most chips are an all inclusive package.

Harbeth's - in my case M40.1's - are very balanced and work well with a lot of different electronics, including CDP's.

Hoople
19-01-2010, 06:51 PM
Bryston BCD-1. Wow.

Lorpuris
20-01-2010, 03:56 AM
Luxman DU 80 - Very Nice Indeed !

Audio Note AN-2 - Restores faith in digital.

Pentagon CD 70- Made in Germany

Sony CDPC 505- Makes me wish I was deaf. Hateful in every way.

garmtz
20-01-2010, 09:17 AM
No CDP. Streaming music with Linn Majik DS-I.

EricW
20-01-2010, 09:24 AM
A CD player? So 20th century!

A MacBook, Bel Canto 24/96 USB-Link, and mhdt Havana DAC. Sounds great.

agentsmith
06-02-2010, 11:13 AM
Currently: Macbook Pro - M2Tech Hiface - Naim DAC &
Cambridge 650BD - Naim DAC

Previously...

Macbook Pro - Weiss DAC2

Slim Devices Transporter

Naim CD5X

Slim Devices Squeezebox 2 + Lavry DA10
Slim Devices Squeezebox 2 + Beresford DAC
Slim Devices Squeezebox 2 + Benchmark DAC1

David Schalkwyk
10-02-2010, 04:48 PM
I don't want to send a thread about loudspeakers off track, but I feel that I can trust people who like Harbeths with advice about other equipment.

First, I'm currently using a Quad CD- 2for CDs with an Oppo 980 for video and the very few SACDs I have. The Oppo playing SACDs doesn't seem to me to be much better than the same discs on CD through the Quad. (I prefer vinyl, but that's another story).

I need to rationalize my equipment and was wondering whether the Oppo with one of the current inexpensive DACs ({-}Dac, Cambridge Audio DAC-Magic, or the Beresford Caiman) would be acceptable. I have a very tight budget.

Thanks,

David

Labarum
18-02-2010, 08:57 PM
David

I have a Quad 77 CD Player I have not used in quite a while.

My CDs have been ripped to FLAC and I stream via a Squeezebox.

I use a Beresford Caiman to receive S/PDIF from the Squeezebox, the TV and Sat or Cable TV Box. The Caiman connects via USB to my Windows 7 Laptop, if I want do do it that way.

The Caiman is in a different class to the ageing Quad 77 player. The Oppo will be limited by it's internal DAC, as is the Quad CDP.

My Quad 77 FM Tuner is also silent - I stream hibit internet radio through the Squeezebox or from Free-view.

I no longer have need for any analogue input - no LPs and no Tapes. Not for many years, so the Caiman is my "Preamp" driving a refurbished Quad 405-2 directly.

I have other plans for my Quad 77 Integrated Amp, but I will sell the CDP and Tuner.

You have missed a very competent DAC is the same price bracket as the Caiman

http://www.tcelectronic.com/bmc-2.asp

http://www.gear4music.com/Recording-and-Computers/TC-Electronic-BMC-2-DAC-and-Studio-Monitor-Controller/BAB

There is much discussion on the Caiman here: http://theartofsound.net/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=3

Search for keywords on the forum.

Ask more if you choose.

davidlovel
18-02-2010, 09:35 PM
PS Audio Perfect Wave Transport with a Bel Canto DAC3 using the Virtual Battery Supply VBS1.
The transport can not only play CDs but also hi-res music data discs (up to 24/192 PCM)

David

audio39
19-02-2010, 12:39 AM
I'm using and enjoying very much the McIntosh MCD-500 SACD/CD player...but the newest Luxman players have my attention and I may be moving on.

do_Ob
19-02-2010, 11:18 AM
I'm just warming up a Luxman D-06 with my 1 week old amp. In combination with a C7ES-3 I am happy!

My ex-CD player is a {-} CD and is in perfect working condition. Another item I can happily handover to my nephew. He's in training to become another music lover. He already has composed a tune all on his own and is constantly playing in my head.

Jmohd
19-02-2010, 11:56 AM
My ex-CD player is a {-} CD and is in perfect working condition. Another item I can happily handover to my nephew. He's in training to become another music lover. He already has composed a tune all on his own and is constantly playing in my head.

Yes," Harbeth lover" in the making. My son is now learning to play acoustic guitar. Now, he has 2 of them. He said, dad please don't sell the SHL5. I will buy it from you when I'm already working. He is now only 18 yrs young and still schooling. :)

AdamW
21-02-2010, 07:11 PM
I have Sugden CDMaster. This will be replaced with the Naim CD5X within the next few days.

911turbojk
24-02-2010, 07:40 AM
I am using my SHL5 with Meridian G08.2 ,,,,,

luca1967
11-04-2010, 09:49 PM
I use a Marantz CD16 (the other components are Dynaco Pas3x and Dynaco ST70 II) with my compact 7 ES2. The sound (for me) seems analog with many details.
Luca.

Yakamozan
17-04-2010, 01:25 PM
EERA DL1, very happy with it. Compared it with the Naim CDX2 before buying and even with the external PS of Naim i preferred the DL1 and bought it

ryder
17-04-2010, 03:29 PM
EERA DL1, very happy with it. Compared it with the Naim CDX2 before buying and even with the external PS of Naim i preferred the DL1 and bought it
Hi Yamakozan, may I know if you have owned Naim amps before since you have the CDX2? Do you still have the CDX2? Reason of asking is I am looking at this player. Naim CD players need to match Naim amps to have the full Naim effect.

sunshine
17-04-2010, 04:16 PM
Hi Yamakozan, may I know if you have owned Naim amps before since you have the CDX2? Do you still have the CDX2? Reason of asking is I am looking at this player. Naim CD players need to match Naim amps to have the full Naim effect.

Hi Ryder,

I respectfully disagree with your above statement. Sold my Naim amp and now using Exposure with Naim CDS2.

Best regards

ryder
17-04-2010, 04:29 PM
Hi Sunshine,

If you hadn't noticed, I didn't say Naim CD players don't sound good with other amps. May I ask which model of Naim amp that has been replaced with the Exposure, and which Exposure are you using right now?

Double D
17-04-2010, 06:37 PM
Am running a Marantz SA-11S2 in my system with Blue Circle pre/power and Harbeth Monitor 30's.

Drdennis
18-04-2010, 03:53 PM
I am using a PrimaLuna Prologue 8 tube CD player with the upgraded chip. I'm very happy with it.

joebar
21-04-2010, 07:07 PM
Use the Nad M5.

Takis
17-05-2010, 08:49 PM
I use the Copland CDA-277 as the basic player and a SONY NS-900-V

Bodfish
23-05-2010, 09:03 PM
A lovely old (but in perfect!) Meridan 500 Mk II Transport running into a Naim DAC. To complete the picture, the DAC runs into a DNM 3C Six pre amp and DNM PA2B monoblocs into my P3ESRs...wonderful in every way!

John Geisen
25-05-2010, 04:01 AM
Bodfish, seriously nice system. Enjoy!

John

Rapid 17
25-05-2010, 10:02 AM
I'm using a recently bought Rega Apollo.

Geoff.

delgesu
25-05-2010, 11:07 AM
hi,

i am using accuphase 800/801 cd-sacd player on my harbeth m40.1. for me simply the best.

Sebastien
25-05-2010, 09:54 PM
I'm using a Cambridge Azur 840C. I really appreciate it. A great cost/quality value.

Sebastien

kittykat
25-05-2010, 11:42 PM
im a CEC junkie 3300 and tl51xr

honmanm
26-05-2010, 10:55 AM
Arcam Alpha (original type, about 20 years old), with a few component substitutions & improved power rail decoupling on the DAC board. There are plenty of better CD players, but maybe not for around £30.

macraddy
26-05-2010, 11:35 AM
That post brought a smile to my face! My first ‘proper’ CD player was an Arcam Alpha 1. Their amps were excellent value. It was royally shown up by the Linn turntable I had at the time, but was a fraction of the cost and held its own considering £s! I bought a Linn Ikemi after the Arcam which was very nice indeed. This can be purchased used for very little nowadays . In fact, the performance jump between the Ikemi and the machine which replaced it, the Linn Unidisk 1.1, certainly didn’t justify the massive difference in price, in retrospect.

kittykat
27-05-2010, 01:30 AM
My first, after i could afford one, was a NAD 5440. It made nice music. Requiring a badly needed lobotomy at the time, I opened it, dismantled everything I could with a screwdriver and put blu-tak between any surface which met another. It didn’t survive a fedex journey down under though.

denjo
07-08-2010, 02:38 AM
My first serious player was the Arcam 5 Plus (wow, what a wonderful CDP), then a Quad 77 and now a NaimUniti (essentially a Naim 5i). Honestly, I spend more time listening to streamed music (CDs are ripped and stored in computer) which is so much simpler and convenient! I can run through my 200 CD collection with a touch of the button!

krnicoll
10-08-2010, 11:44 PM
A Marantz SA15S1 CD/SACD (2 channel). On the plus side, the advantages of Super Audio over Red Book can easily be distinguished. On the minus side, the player is not as 'peppy' as some players I've heard. Still, the Marantz makes for a nice non fatiguing player.

Paul G Smith
10-09-2010, 10:49 AM
Arcam players seem to be most peoples starting point and I am still using my Alpha6 but as a transport, feeding the D/A in my Bryston preamp.
I was thinking of getting a Blueray player which will play just about everything including CDs and SACDs. Does anyone else use a DVD / Blueray player for audio?
I'm also considering a SONOS setup.

Drdennis
10-09-2010, 01:15 PM
PrimaLuna Prologue 8 with the upgraded chipset. Also, sits on Stillpoints, HiFi Tuning fuse, Cardas Golden Reference power cord, and I'm getting ready to try some tube rolling! (C7ES-3 and REL B3)

vaughn3d
10-09-2010, 02:14 PM
I use a Cambridge Audio bluray player as a transport into a Naim Supernait dac, I'm very pleased with the results. (c7es2 & 50" panasonic 1080p plasma)

KT88
10-09-2010, 02:35 PM
I have a couple in the house, neither of which would be considered close to "state of the art"-but each one offers high value.

Upstairs: Ah! Tjoeb, the Dutch modified (tube output stage) Marantz player
Downstairs: NAD C 542, very high bang for the buck with built in HDCD decoder

douga
13-09-2010, 03:07 AM
The first time I replied to this thread, I was using all Naim equipment (cd, integrated, power supply). I've gone back to using Jolida JD100 with a less expensive amp. Still sounds great.

P.C.
06-10-2010, 04:09 AM
Wadia's latest 381. Using its built in digital volume control to great effect .

Paul G Smith
06-10-2010, 08:29 AM
Arcam players seem to be most peoples starting point and I am still using my Alpha6 but as a transport, feeding the D/A in my Bryston preamp.
I was thinking of getting a Blueray player which will play just about everything including CDs and SACDs. Does anyone else use a DVD / Blueray player for audio?
I'm also considering a SONOS setup.
I'm considering an OPPO 83 Universal disc player. Has anyone any thoughts...?

Art K
15-10-2010, 06:23 AM
Rega Saturn...sounds fabulous with my P3's!

jeffreyj
10-11-2010, 02:44 AM
Exemplar Denon 3910 (redbook, SACD and DVD-A)

HL-P3ES-2 30th Anniversary in Eucalyptus

coredump
20-11-2010, 12:55 PM
hi, let's take a break and see what kind of digital sources that we use in our system in HUG:

Meridian 507
Naim CD5x + Flatcap2x
Sugden Masterclass CDP
Meridian 508.24
Opera Consonance CD120 Linear
Marantz CD17mkIII, Marantz CD6000KI and a Modded Lite Tube Dac 50
YBA CD1 the double external power supply version, EAR Acute
Bryston BCD-1. Wow.
Luxman DU 80, Audio Note AN-2
Streaming music with Linn Majik DS-I
A MacBook, Bel Canto 24/96 USB-Link, and mhdt Havana DAC
Macbook Pro - M2Tech Hiface - Naim DAC & Cambridge 650BD - Naim DAC
Quad CD- 2, Oppo 980
Quad 77
PS Audio Perfect Wave Transport with a Bel Canto DAC3 using the Virtual Battery Supply VBS1
McIntosh MCD-500 SACD/CD player
Luxman D-06
Sugden CDMaster
Meridian G08.2
Marantz CD16
EERA DL1
Naim CDS2
Marantz SA-11S2
PrimaLuna Prologue 8 tube CD player
Nad M5.
Copland CDA-277
meridan 500 Mk II Transport running into a Naim DAC
Rega Apollo
accuphase 800/801 cd-sacd player
Cambridge Azur 840C
CEC junkie 3300 and tl51xr
Arcam Alpha
Linn Ikemi
NAD 5440
NaimUniti (nait 5i)
Marantz SA15S1 CD/SACD
Arcam Alpha6
PrimaLuna Prologue 8
Cambridge Audio bluray player as a transport into a Naim Supernait dac
Tjoeb, the Dutch modified (tube output stage) Marantz player, NAD C 542
Jolida JD100
Wadia's 381.
OPPO 83 Universal disc player?
Rega Saturn
Exemplar Denon 3910 (redbook, SACD and DVD-A)

davidlovel
20-11-2010, 01:44 PM
"PS Audio Perfect Wave Transport with a Bel Canto DAC3 "
An update:
I've had the Bel Canto DAC3 modified to use the virtual battery supply (VBS1). This improved sound quality considerably: more natural tone quality from low to high, better sound stage particularly as regards depth and greater transparency. Altogether more musical.
David

BAS-H
24-11-2010, 12:36 PM
Another Arcam to the list - CD37. Replaced my Arcam Delta 70.2a few months back.

ErikM
17-12-2010, 01:39 AM
Ps Audio PWD/ Bridge streaming Alac, Flac, AIFF , redbook and Hi Rez

blazh
27-12-2010, 12:29 AM
Quad 67 connected to Matrix (Synthesis) Dual mono Valve DAC. And even more time using heavily modified SqueezeBox.

denjo
28-12-2010, 04:11 PM
I am CDP-less! I have embraced NAS and wireless music streaming!

Labarum
28-12-2010, 04:17 PM
I am CDP-less! I have embraced NAS and wireless music streaming!

What precisely are you using, Denjo?

denjo
28-12-2010, 04:31 PM
Hi Labarum
Since my Quad 77 CDP packed up several years back, I decided to get a Squeezebox 3 (Classic), with RCA digital out to my Accuphase E560's internal DAC (DAC-20). The SB3 is powered by a shunt regulated Paul Hynes' PSU. The music files stored in my NAS are wirelessly streamed to the SB3. All controls and selection are via the SB3 remote. The SB3 also allows me listen to internet music which sounds quite decent when fed into my Accuphase internal DAC. I am reliably informed that my Accuphase DAC-20 houses a pair of Analog Devices 1955 DAC chip. The upgraded DAC-30 uses a pair of Burr-Brown DAC 1796 which allows up to 192 sampling. I hope this helps!

Labarum
28-12-2010, 04:42 PM
OK. I too have a a Squeezebox Classic. It feeds a Beresford Caiman DAC and drives either a Quad 77 Integrated amp or a Quad 405-2, depending whether I am in UK or Cyprus. The Squeezebox and DAC travel with me, as does the Windows 7 Laptop which acts as server. Fine results.

My 77 CDP still works, as does my 77 FM Tuner, but I don't use them. Playing FLACs or Internet Radio through the Squeezebox and Caiman beats them by a significant margin.

The BBC Radio 3 HD stream at 320kb/s off the Squeezebox using the iPlayer Plugin is superb.

BAS-H
29-12-2010, 12:54 AM
I am intreagued by streaming music. Excuse my ignorance, but what is an NAS? And when streaming music using a Squeezebox, is broadband bandwidth an issue? Thanks in advance for info.

Ben

Labarum
29-12-2010, 02:13 AM
NAS = Network Attached Storage. Usually a hard rive in its own box accessible to any computer on the (home) network. Broadband speed and bandwidth could be an issue when streaming internet radio straight of the internet, but most broadband connections will do it. It is less demanding than streaming video from the likes of BBC iPlayer.

When streaming content from a device on your own network Broadband speed and bandwidth is not an issue: it is not used.

Squeezebox is just one possible system for streaming.

In UK look at http://www.ripcaster.co.uk/, though you should always look around for the best prices.

blazh
29-12-2010, 01:33 PM
BAS-H,

if you're considering streaming and SqueezeBox there are some extras that greatly improve it's overall performance:
- Paul Hynes Power Supply (already mentioned by denjo)
- Paul Hynes Shunt Stunt Regulator for regulation of power to 74HCU04 chip
- cutting out SMD inductors, terminate to 75 Ohm
- replacing RCA with BNC connector

Those are modifications which were made on my SB and they significantly improved performance.

Total cost - around 350 GBP (without SB :))

Labarum
29-12-2010, 01:44 PM
350GBP! For rather less than that you can use an external DAC. A standard Squeezebox will stream bit perfectly to a DAC via its optical output, so there is no point in upgrading digital streaming part of the box. The internal DAC is good but not great.

I use a Beresford Caiman - just one of many modestly priced DACs

http://www.beresford.me/main/main.html

It will directly drive a power amp, gives you digital source switching and a simple analogue volume control.

---

The Squeezebox Classic is now only available second hand now. The Duet and the Touch are now on sale. I have heard it said the touch has a much better DAC - but it's 250GBP.

Read up on the Squeezebox forum

http://forums.slimdevices.com/

blazh
29-12-2010, 02:15 PM
Labarum,

I do use external DAC - it's a Matrix DAC by Synthesis (not Synthesis Audio).
(Review at: http://www.techradar.com/reviews/audio-visual/hi-fi-and-audio/hi-fi-accessories/synthesis-matrix-valve-dac-710169/review)

I also have a Beresford DAC (not the Cayman but the first edition) at home but after initial wow effect I only found out it's really excellent value for the money but still can't quite compare with "big guns" on the market. So now I'm using it in my bedroom system with SB duetto, KamaBay amp and Shahinian Super Elf speakers.

But if someone is only starting or experimenting with streaming audio devices like SB, Beresford DAC is (in my opinion) choice No. 1.

denjo
29-12-2010, 02:18 PM
For those who are just starting their journey in Computer Audio,you will find this link very helpful:

http://www.dcsltd.co.uk/assets/dCS_Guide_to_Computer_Audio.pdf

I learnt much from reading and re-reading the dcs primer.

BAS-H
30-12-2010, 04:17 PM
Many thanks Labarum, blazh and denjo, much appreciated.

AukedeBoer
01-01-2011, 05:05 PM
I'm using the 'new' Quad Elite CDS since a few days. It's a huge upgrade from my 12 year old Denon DCD-1550. A lot of detail and a more open sound compared with the Denon (20 bit Lambda). I'm really very happy with the sound of the Quad Elite CDS > Passive Creek OBH-12 > Quad 306 (new components) > C7ES3 combination. Very natural and balanced.

T.W.
15-01-2011, 03:57 PM
Marantz CD 17ki - Marantz PM 14mkii ki - Harbeth HL5LE
Lyngdorf CD 1 - Lyngdorf TDAI 2200 - Harbeth M40

Both excellent chains that don't need any upgrade!

Milkyway
18-01-2011, 09:16 PM
No CDP anymore, but streaming audio, first with XBMC, later SB3 and separate {-}DAC, and since almost 3 years a Linn Akurate DS.

timleety
19-01-2011, 03:48 PM
Meridian 508.24 coming out of SHL5s. Fits like a glove for me. I dread the day it keels over. *gulp*

GoldVit
23-01-2011, 03:24 AM
A couple of years ago I was using a Cyrus CD6 which was really nice. Then, thinking that I would use my iPod(and Wadia 170 iTransport)for music a lot more than I would, I invested in a Weiss DAC2. Absolutely outstanding with the iPod but unfortunately not at all compatible with the Cyrus. So now a conundrum. I really wanted to use the Weiss with a CD player. I chopped the Cyrus in and went for a 47Labs 4716 Transport. With top quality CD's this was a superb combination but I found with anything less it was just 'good'. With such a good CD player I also found I wasn't using my iPod so I took what was to me a big leap, got rid of the 47Labs and the Weiss and went for the Audio Research CD5. Just in case I should wish to use the iPod I also bought a Project DAC Box FL. I'm using the CD5 with an Audio Research VSi60 amplifier and a beautiful pair of SHL5's. Thoroughly enjoying the ride so far.......
Regards,

GoldVit

LarsS
23-01-2011, 11:33 AM
I just wonder about Sugden CD players, the Amps usually get very good reviews, but when it comes to their CD:s it is impossible to find a review at all (at least I have not found one) Surely they can not be that bad if their amps get such good reviews. I suppose some of you out there uses Sugden CPP:s. What about the CD21SE since I have the A21SE.

coredump
03-05-2011, 04:33 PM
just added a Marantz SA11S2 to my setup. Gosh, can't forgive myself for not getting a new CDP sooner. I have lost so much detail with the old CD63KI, CD8260, ...

Garbage in Garbage out? The SA11S2 have dug out so many details out of the Compact Disc media that made me dumb-founded.

with the new addition, My Harbeth speakers deliver performance that is ' better than ever...'

Euler
03-05-2011, 10:03 PM
Do those on the HUG who believe that expensive cables do not produce an audible difference in the sound also believe the same about expensive CD players? I have a 1985ish Nakamichi Cd player, solid as a rock, but if I knew, speaking of solid, that there was solid evidence that a new CDP would produce an audible improvement in the sound -- in detail, reproduction of the highs, whatever -- then I might consider making a switch. But my skeptical side tells me, that apart from workmanship and reliability, CD players cannot be distinguished, reliably, even by golden ears.

Bruce

BAS-H
04-05-2011, 10:01 AM
Hi Bruce. I'm objective and skeptical. I do not believe in expensive cables and can't tell them apart during demos. But CD players are different - some better or worse; others just different in character. My upgrade from Arcam Delta 70.2 to Arcam CD37 was almost as significant as swapping my speakers to Harbeth. I demoed three players around the £1K mark in my local shop and would have been confident telling them apart, double-blind.

(Same with amps. Some better or worse; some just different. Cables, stands, isolaters, mains cords, power conditioners - nah, you can keep 'em).

hifi_dave
04-05-2011, 11:06 AM
I've been lectured to on a couple of occasions by highly respected engineers who assured me that 'all CD players sound the same'. Also ' there can't be a difference as they are only counting digits, so they must be perfect'.

On both occasions it was only a matter of demo'ing two players side by side for a minute or two for them to take back their words. One of them also then bought a very expensive player from me.

It doesn't necessarily follow that a more expensive player is better though. There are some horrors and some excellent reasonably priced players. Also, that Nakamichi player might well still stnad up fpr itself. Best bet is to take it for a comparative demo to your dealer. You might be pleasantly surprised.

fred40
04-05-2011, 11:38 AM
I use the NAIM cd5i mark 2 much to my satisfaction.

coredump
04-05-2011, 03:16 PM
Do those on the HUG who believe that expensive cables do not produce an audible difference in the sound also believe the same about expensive CD players? I have a 1985ish Nakamichi Cd player, solid as a rock, but if I knew, speaking of solid, that there was solid evidence that a new CDP would produce an audible improvement in the sound -- in detail, reproduction of the highs, whatever -- then I might consider making a switch. But my skeptical side tells me, that apart from workmanship and reliability, CD players cannot be distinguished, reliably, even by golden ears.

Bruce

Bruce, it could be your Nakamichi that is a great performer. Prior to the CDP purchase, i am skeptical toward CDP as Hifi Dave said. the famour quote " all CD player sound the same" but the Maranta SA11S2 changed my perception. nobody could convince me until i brought it home and hook it up.

Actually i was about to change a amplifier and even the speaker, by good fortune, I decided to bet 3 Grand on a CDP. Long story cut short, bring / demo a Marantz SA11S2 home and tell us what you hear (I am not affiliated with Marantz )

however i stand corrected on the changing of cables that it proves futile in performance

STHLS5
04-05-2011, 03:31 PM
Just last Friday, Sam our local distributor brought over his Quad player to show how musical it was compared to my Marantz SA11S2. He brought 2 sets of CDs to do simultaneous switching for a quick AB test.

We agreed that SA11S2 output gain was a lot higher than Quad's and therefore, it was pointless to perform a quick switch overs. Then Sam suggested that I listen to both players to find out which one was better. I gave up after several minutes but I asked if he could positively identify his Quad just by listening? He said he could and we agreed a total of 10 trials of the same track, i.e Gütesloher Glocken of Musik Von Einem Anderen Stern (http://www.discogs.com/Various-Musik-Von-Einem-Anderen-Stern/release/1516795). Sam is very familiar with this track as he uses them to demo the Harbeths.

After the 5th trial, he stopped because he couldn't concentrate any longer. So we have only the results for 5 trials as follows,

Actual Sam
1. Quad SA11S2
2. SA11S2 SA11S2
3. SA11S2 SA11S2
4. SA11S2 Quad
5. Quad SA11S2


You be the judge.

ST

p.s Previously, we did the same "tests" for Theta Gen III and SA11S2 and we couldn't tell them apart. Theta's gain is much higher than SA11S2.

p.p.s We are still friends.

macroaudio
04-05-2011, 07:14 PM
Former OPPO BDP83, now running an Arcam BDP100.....seems to be a better match for my needs so far at this price point with the LFD Mk IV and C7. Have not yet heard an OPPO BDP95 to compare.

Jmohd
04-05-2011, 07:34 PM
I'm now using Ayon Audio CD5s. Opens new "window" in my listening expriences..

Drdennis
05-05-2011, 12:24 PM
I am currently using a PrimaLuna Prologue 8 CDP. Yesterday I shipped a SONY 5400ES player to Music Technology for VSE mods. I have a few SACD's that I have played on my second systems OPPO 83SE Nuforce Edition, and I would like to play them on my primary system(C7's). I'll report on the SONY when it returns in about four weeks.

Concerti
05-05-2011, 02:37 PM
Luxman D 05 here with an Auraliti music server. Nice to have both SACD, CD and streaming. Only problem is no streaming radio. Will fix that soon.

GregD
05-05-2011, 07:34 PM
Having sold my expensive Nagra CDC CD player, I'm using a budget Cambridge Audio BD650 universal player for now. It plays CD with HDCD, SACD, DVD-A/V and BD. So I'm fully covered while a consider the next upgrade. (I may go back to a 2 channel SACD player with digital input for the Meridian streamer mentioned below...)

I'm really not sure what to do about my digital source. I'm very tempted by the Meridian Media Core 200 which is a small unit containing a 500Gb HDD, streaming player and both analogue and digital outputs. It uses the Sooloos interface, accessable with an iPhone/iPad app, and is really neat and intuitive to use. I tried it out at the Bristol Show this year, where I met AS. Did you see the Meridian stand Alan?

(I might add that often I use the BD650 as a transport into a Cambridge Audio DAC Magic connected together by a £1 optical cable - it sounds great and cured my mains hum problems!)

Haligonian
20-05-2011, 08:33 PM
GregD/Macroaudio: How do you find using a Universal Player as a substitute for a cd player? Do you fin you can reach the same quality when using an expensive BD player versus a cheaper CD player?

dgolh
31-05-2011, 10:17 PM
I own an Audionet Art G2, it replaced an Ear Acute when I moved from Pass to Leben. I didn't want to add jam on my peanut buttered toast.

Sebastien
04-06-2011, 03:20 AM
Just last Friday, Sam our local distributor brought over his Quad player to show how musical it was compared to my Marantz SA11S2. He brought 2 sets of CDs to do simultaneous switching for a quick AB test.

So we have only the results for 5 trials as follows,

Actual Sam
1. Quad SA11S2
2. SA11S2 SA11S2
3. SA11S2 SA11S2
4. SA11S2 Quad
5. Quad SA11S2


That's funny. If I'm right, he never recognized his Quad player?! But he does 2 times for the Marantz...

Sébastien

QChicago
04-06-2011, 03:42 AM
None. I rip everything into a Glyph external firewired to a Mac Mini. :-)

NeilNZ
04-06-2011, 11:07 PM
I'm using an Audiolab 8200CD, although mainly as a dac streaming from my Airport Express.
So system now is:
VPI Classic->Leben RS30EQ->Leben CS600->Harbeth SHL5 with the Audiolab slotted in there too.
Sounds excellent.
Previously used an Olive 04HD Server and a {-} amongst other things...

Phil100
05-06-2011, 11:07 AM
Some "vintage" cdp's sound very good and will last (YBA's, Meridian 506, 507, 508, Revox 226, Teac VRDP 10 ...) because the mechanical part was much better and there was a greater choice of chips available, allowing to take the signal right after conversion and customize it.
Today's most expensive CDP's use cheap cdrom heads or the only still made for audio (Philips PRO2) which is still a far cry from the best made 20 years ago. And most chips are an all inclusive package.

I have a mid-1990s Sugden Optima and love it. I purchased this new. It has a wonderful so-called "natural" non-fatiguing sound. It was very well reviewed at the time. Doesn't look much, just a boring black box. I saw one go for next to nothing on e-Bay or somewhere recently.

As I posted elsewhere, this has "the much-praised high end Philips CDM-9 Loader/laser and Philips dac and filter TDA1543 and SAA7220." While the CDM-9 is out of production I believe, I've also heard that Sugden stockpile spare parts for all of their products going back to the 1980s.

macroaudio
11-06-2011, 07:55 PM
GregD/Macroaudio: How do you find using a Universal Player as a substitute for a cd player? Do you fin you can reach the same quality when using an expensive BD player versus a cheaper CD player?

To my ears, I find the Arcam BDP100 to be a very good quality sounding option for a CD only player such as the similarly or even lower priced Arcam or Rega's to which I compared before purchase. I have also A/B'd the BDP100 with an outboard Benchmark DAC1 Pre (adjusting the Benchmark for the same SPL) and find the Arcam analog outs to slightly edge out the Benchmark but is in reality very very close. I'm sure you already trust your own ears when considering component purchases.

Pencey
12-06-2011, 04:53 PM
Sony XA5400ES VSE Terra Firma upgraded

GregD
14-06-2011, 11:34 PM
GregD/Macroaudio: How do you find using a Universal Player as a substitute for a cd player? Do you fin you can reach the same quality when using an expensive BD player versus a cheaper CD player?

Just spotted this queston for me Haligonian. My answer is that I find the Cambridge universal player to sound just as good as any other player I've owned. The difference is that it plays more formats which is a big bonus. The downside is that it feels cheaper, more flimsy to use and doesn't have that luxury build quality you can get by paying more.

I've just bought a dCS P8i SACD player because I like the technical side behind it's development - dCS software was used in the Harrier jets during the Gulf War. I like it's UK-made provenance and brand prestige. It also sounds fine with SACD and CD too.

jplaurel
15-06-2011, 05:33 PM
Oppo BDP-95. Honestly, I find it hard to tell the difference between CD players. Between a really cheap and nasty player and a decent mid priced one, maybe. I usually just rip CDs in Apple Lossless and play from iTunes.

I decided that money was better spent on a nice turntable, which is a very different sonic experience from any CD player.

JariRåback
13-08-2011, 08:18 PM
Resolution Audio Opus21 (with GNS mods) - have tried some recent universal spinners but the oldish Opus still seems to make better music. And it has a coax digital input too, for my SB Touch...

garmtz
13-08-2011, 08:50 PM
Resolution Audio Opus21 (with GNS mods) - have tried some recent universal spinners but the oldish Opus still seems to make better music. And it has a coax digital input too, for my SB Touch...

That's a GREAT CD-player. The new Cantata is even more amazing.

Don Jr
12-10-2011, 10:05 PM
My wife called me at lunch to tell me she ordered my a Audiolab 8200cdq for my birthday. My birthday was in late September and I always beg her to please not get me anything. Well, she must have heard me talking to me local shop about the Audiolab and called them.
Hi,

I'm using a Meridian 507 since 2003 without a single problem. No XLR conns, but I belong to those who doubt their so widely proclaimed superiority, especially against quality RCAs. My amp also (McIntosh MA 6500) doesn't provide such conns, so no thinking about it. A very nice and neutral all rounder, also matching very well indeed with warm & sweet sounding amps - IMHO of course. It didn't cost a fortune, anyhow I don't believe in skyhigh priced cdp's, I'd rather pay a good sum for a fine vinyl system... (which I -thanks God- already have).
I also run a Yamaha CDR1500-HDD, which is very heavy and enough complicated, but does perform very well (especially in record/write mode), although a bit noisy while the the HDD works. For the money, it's a damn good machine!

davidlovel
20-01-2012, 06:08 PM
PS Audio Perfect Wave Transport with a Bel Canto DAC3 using the Virtual Battery Supply VBS1.
The transport can not only play CDs but also hi-res music data discs (up to 24/192 PCM)

David

An update:
I've had the main circuit board of the Bel Canto DAC3 upgraded to the standard of the DAC3.5. This produced a major improvement in sound quality: more natural voice reproduction, better image definition and more ambience of the recording venue. Overall even more enjoyable music
David

Kumar Kane
21-01-2012, 01:45 AM
I have used half a dozen mid priced CD players in the last ten years, including at one time an expensive outboard DAC, and they all sounded the same to me.
I now have all my music in lossless files on a hard disc, playing it via a Sonos wireless front end connected via a digital cable to the DAC on my CD player, and it sounds just the same as CD replay, with a lot more added convenience based features.

Drdennis
21-01-2012, 01:57 PM
My update since last posting on this thread, is a SONY 5400ES. I have had it modified by VSE. While it is capable of surround, I'm using it with C7ES3, REL B-3 and Leben CS300XS. I am very pleased with this combination. The SONY replaced a PrimaLuna that I was very happy with. I used the PrimaLuna with LFD Mk IV, and that was an excellent combination. I have tried tubed cdp with tubed amp, and ss cdp with ss amp, but I find mixing either way preferable.

Art K
15-04-2012, 04:48 AM
I am now using a Rega Apollo-R with Brio-R and my Harbeth P3ESR's and a TEAC Reference PD-H600 in my living room system.

jim123
19-04-2012, 03:50 PM
I'm using a Marantz SA11S2 and Luxman L505U with S-HL5. Upgraded from a Marantz CD63.

GreatGig
23-09-2012, 01:58 AM
Well I guess this does not really apply here, but I thought I would join in anyway. My last CD player was the last CD player I will ever own. I have built my own custom music server and only play FLAC files now and I have never played so much music in my life - I totally love it, it sounds better than my last CD player and players costing quite a few thousand, but above all is much more convenient if you have a large music collection.

Best thing I ever did guys and I know its not for everyone, but it has taken my enjoyment of music to another level.

coredump
23-09-2012, 06:31 PM
I'm using a Marantz SA11S2 and Luxman L505U with S-HL5. Upgraded from a Marantz CD63.

I'm using a Marantz SA11S2 with S-HL5. Upgraded from a Marantz CD63SE KI too But with and Accuphase E560 :)

GuillermoA
17-08-2013, 04:21 AM
I have just bought Cayin 50t CD player for my M30 and Lavardin IT combo. Not the king of detail but really sweet analogue sound!

I feel Cd players have sonic characteristics and this one is in the warm and sweet side.
Cheers.

Miles MG
17-08-2013, 10:01 AM
Unusually, I use a Tascam CD-RW700 as I transfer vinyl, R to R tapes and Cassettes to CD. I do this on a semi-pro basis. It is a competent CD player and very reliable, as is all Tascam kit. Professionals need reliable equipment !

I also use a Naim CD 3.5 on a second system with my HL-P3s. It is the closest I have heard to a good turntable. Yes, I really like playing records...

chicks
17-08-2013, 05:20 PM
Rarely play CDs these days, but my old Philips / Magnavox FD-1010, from the early '80's, is always a pleasure. An ergonomic masterpiece.

2679

Gregl
29-08-2013, 10:43 PM
Try the new 105 it's incredible.

Gregl
29-08-2013, 11:05 PM
The Cantata is absolutely amazing. But very expensive but it is very well backed up and I will have it for a long time.

It is also a beautiful piece or should I say kit.

Milosz
16-10-2013, 01:07 PM
I use a couple of different CD players in my two stereo systems: Plinius CD-101 in the whole Plinius set, now vintage Advantage CD-1 and also a small outboard DAC Musical Fidelity V-DAC.

I really like the Plinius, it is elegant and original in that it does not have a display. It's one of its kind.

Awsbass
26-11-2013, 07:01 AM
Just switched from the Lector 7 Mk3 to an Accuphase DP-55V. Not the same resolution but surely a nice player, works very nicely with my M30's being a little softer and rounder.
For HDCD i use my old Arcam Alpha 9. Still a great player! Paid 70 GPB for it, and that is just silly..

DeGaulle
28-11-2013, 11:07 PM
I drive a pair of P3ES-2s by a Rotel RA-1062 amp, paired with its sibling RCD-1072. Great-sounding low-to-mid price gear.

Alternative sources are a Squeezebox Duet (mostly for internet radio) and occasionally a portable DVD player, both connected via a DACMagic.

maxbertola
29-11-2013, 10:59 PM
During the last seven years, I have been using Naim CD players. I have had a few models, from CD5i to CDX2/XPS.2.
I am now using a CD5i, with a Nait 5i. The lack of an empty socket for an external psu is very reassuring..
A few days ago, though, I have heard a rega Apollo, finding it natural, genuine and convincing.

asaph
01-12-2013, 09:40 PM
Rega Saturn through LFD MKiv with LFD power,speaker, and interconnect cabling.