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ryder
18-02-2010, 02:11 PM
I managed to listen to the Naim XS in my system today after a friend came over. He is a Harbeth SHL5 owner as well and uses an all-Naim system to drive the speakers. The listening session lasted for about 3 hours so that gave us the opportunity to do an A/B comparison between the Naim and Rega Elicit which I own. Another guy who happened to be some sort of a dealer for a high-end cable manufacturer tagged along with him.

We started out with the Rega Elicit and my friend thought something didn’t sound quite right. We then swapped to the Naim XS. Pace and timing improved a little. Music sounded quicker and livelier with better pace. We then swapped out the Rega SC42 speaker cable to the Naim NACA5 cable. Bass and dynamics were fleshed out more prominently and everything had a more solid feel to it. Basically pace, rhythm and timing were spot on with the Naim. The Rega was more lush-sounding and sweeter in comparison.

With the Naim XS still on board, we fiddled a little with speaker placement and room treatments. Speakers were brought out into the room by approximately 1 to 1.5 inches and toe-in was reduced. Music sounded more coherent. After that, diffusion panels were fiddled with numerous times. They were moved towards the listening chair by a foot, placed down on the floor, elevated from the floor, placed down on the floor again, 1 piece on the wall, 2 pieces on the wall, 3 pieces on the wall, back to 2 pieces on the wall. Finally we settled with 2 pieces of diffusion panels on the side walls placed on the ground as we thought this gave the best result. Each and every configuration yielded a noticeable difference to the sound, and this is a testament to the importance of room treatments in shaping up the sound. With these diffusion panels, voices sounded more organic and overall presentation had more air and coherence. Surprisingly bass tone also improved with more solidity and less smearing.

We finally switched back to the Rega Elicit. After all the changes made to speaker placement and room treatments, the Rega Elicit still did not possess the superior pace and timing of the Naim XS. However, the Rega gave a slight sweetness, or should I say lushness to voices with a tinge of warmth which was pleasant to certain recordings or music.

Then came the unexpected. The dealer of the cable manufacturer took out his stuff from the bag. Forgotten the brand but the model is called “Lifeline” or “Liveline”. The Rega SC42 speaker cable was replaced with this cable and we all heard an audible improvement in dynamics and bass slam. Dynamics and transients were better on this cable as bass came out more prominently from the speakers. Just to be sure I disconnected the cable from the system and hooked up my Rega SC42 to the amp and listened again. Music was back to flat and monotonous-sounding.

I asked him how much is the cost of the cable. I was hoping it would be around the Rega SC42’s price-range but got a surprise when the cable was said to cost $1,200 / £750 which is about 8X the price of the top-of-the-line Rega SC42 cable. I was then informed that it’s a high-end cable from a French manufacturer.

The fun part is since I knew my Rega SC42 was flat sounding, I took out my Pure Note Cerulean cable from the store-room collecting dust after both guys had left. This cable is a solid-core silver cable. Hooked it up to the speakers and blimey, it sounded similar to the high-end French cable. Dynamics and attack came back. The good thing is the Pure Note costs 3X less. The Rega cable will go to the storeroom. So much for synergy(thought the Rega wire would match with the Rega amp). [Note: Sound differences between cables may be negligible if tested in a different room. Previously tested in the living room and found no audible differences. The current dedicated room is a much better controlled environment in picking up sound changes.]

Okay I got carried away. To summarise between the Naim XS and Rega Elicit, both of them sounded quite similar. Generally the Naim has better pace and timing while the Rega is sweeter and slightly lusher in comparison. Nonetheless, the Rega Elicit + high-end French cable managed to bridge the gap with the Naim XS + Naim NACA5 in terms of PRAT and dynamics. I was told that a Naim source hooked up to the Naim XS would bring even better PRAT quality that is synonymous with most Naim gears. Since the source used in the comparison was not a Naim but a Krell, guess that would be a slight disadvantage to the Naim XS.

That is all for now. Next upgrade for me is to get an additional 4 pieces of diffusion panels and I’d be done.



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Naim XS Driving The SHL5 With The Stiff NACA5 Cable Sticking Out Like A Sore Thumb

ryder
18-02-2010, 02:39 PM
Administrator,

The paragraph settings seem to be not quite right. In the first line of the message above, I can see two "he" in the sentences as below.

I managed to listen to the Naim XS in my system today after a friend came over. He
He is a Harbeth SHL5 owner....

When I go back to edit the message, I cannot see double "he". I would appreciate if you can kindly check and rectify by deleting the additional word. Also, the message seems to be lopsided. Can the paragraph be adjusted to cover the whole screen so as the message is not lopsided to the left of the screen?

Please kindly delete this post after checking on the above. Thanks.

coredump
18-02-2010, 03:10 PM
Hi Ryder, Thanks for the review of the Naim Nait XS against the Rega Elicit. The synergy between the speaker and the amplifier is significant. It will take a much longer time than looking for a ideal speaker. BTW, have you tried Karan KA I-180? a class A breed with a solid bass control ability. it is quite affordable. to a greater extent, do you try other amplifier such as lavardin IT, gryphon antilla.

to be frank, i looking for another amplifier that can bring my current setup (http://www.harbeth.co.uk/usergroup/album.php) to next level.

I believe you have extensive experience in the LFD zero III LE amplifier. could you share your experience or link to any threads.

Thanks

ryder
18-02-2010, 03:18 PM
Hi Coredump,
I have not tried the Karan. I don't think I'll have a chance to listen to the Lavardin IT. It's a rare breed over here. Gryphon, Red Wine and older Accuphase are more common. Anyway I am quite satisfied with my system after doing the shoot-out between the Rega and Naim. I have listened to the LFD in my system and at my friend's place. The write-up is somewhere in the threads here. At that time the LFD was pitted against the ARC LS16/Plinius SA-100Mk3. The separates cannot hold a candle to the LFD. I have compared the LFD to the Rega very briefly at my friend's place(since we were actually comparing the Leben CS600 to the LFD Zero LEIII at that time, the Rega was as "side dish"). The LFD is slightly more dynamic and transparent than the Rega, more energy and tube-like in the mids. In that sense I know where the Naim stands against the LFD now.

Just to add. Although components may be important, the room remains one of the most important "component" as each and every system with the same speaker will sound different in a different room. Heck even my SHL5 sounds different in the same room when the diffusion panels were shifted around.

coredump
18-02-2010, 03:58 PM
your experience in matching amplifier against the SHL5 is exhilarating. did you, at any point of time own a LFD amplifier? slightly more dynamics and transparent is rather disappointing illustration. does the 60Watt do merit to the SHL5? my current amp is 35W but it's very powerful. more statement on the LFD would be nice, and appreciated..

not into Rega. had a Brio amp too, and not to my liking.

ryder
18-02-2010, 04:15 PM
Coredump,
That is the difficulty when using adjectives to describe on sound. If "slightly" is used, one may feel the difference is subtle. If "substantial" is used, one may feel the reviewer is exaggerating. Also, degree of differences cannot be quantified even by listening, not to mention putting down on words. The term "substantial" to one can be "subtle" to another. Since there are many LFD users in Singapore, I reckon it would be more useful if you can listen to one in your system as that would give you a real world experience of the amp in comparison to the 35W integrated you have right now. I believe you currently own a Lavardin IS.

I do not own the LFD. I believe there is only one person in my country who owns the LFD. Power ratings do not often tell how powerful an amp is. A Luxman L590AII owner who upgraded from a Mcintosh MC402/46 once reported that one could easily confuse the two amps as having the reverse in wattage. The MC402 is 400W while the L590AII is 30 or 40W Class A.

Gan CK
18-02-2010, 04:31 PM
your experience in matching amplifier against the SHL5 is exhilarating. did you, at any point of time own a LFD amplifier? slightly more dynamics and transparent is rather disappointing illustration. does the 60Watt do merit to the SHL5? my current amp is 35W but it's very powerful. more statement on the LFD would be nice, and appreciated..

not into Rega. had a Brio amp too, and not to my liking.

Hi Coredump, i've listened to Lavardin IS Ref with SHL-5 & at the moment using LFD LE III to drive SHL-5. Well, in my 6.5m by 6m living room & playing full symphony orchestra at high volume, i'd say that the LE III took it all in its stride with no signs of stress or strain. It can be very majestic, dynamic & hard hitting when required but yet also delicate, sweet & subtle.

ryder
20-02-2010, 08:25 AM
your experience in matching amplifier against the SHL5 is exhilarating. did you, at any point of time own a LFD amplifier? slightly more dynamics and transparent is rather disappointing illustration. does the 60Watt do merit to the SHL5? my current amp is 35W but it's very powerful. more statement on the LFD would be nice, and appreciated..

not into Rega. had a Brio amp too, and not to my liking.

Hi Coredump,

I reread your question and noticed you are curious to know how the LFD would stack up with your Lavardin IS. Since I have not listened to the Lavardin, I can't offer any constructive or useful comments on the LFD with respect to the Lavardin since my impressions on the unit are based on comparisons with other amps that I have owned or listened to like the Naim XS and Rega Elicit.

I have listened to the LFD in my own room and at a friend's place driving the 40.1's. In my room the LFD was compared with the Plinius SA-100Mk3/ARC LS16 and NVA AP70 integrated. In my friend's place the LFD was compared to the Leben CS600 and Rega Elicit. To summarise between the LFD, Naim and Rega, I would say the LFD remains the most dynamic amp out of the lot with more energy and tube-like character in the midrange compared to Naim and Rega. The Naim doesn't have the dynamics and tube-like character of the LFD but excels in pace, rhythm and timing. The Rega sounds smoother and lacks the pace and rhythm of the Naim but gives a sweeter midrange. I don't know how your Lavardin would stack up against these amps as I have not listened to this unit. At the end of the day, it depends on personal preference as to which amp the listener would choose for his speakers. The LFD will hold the avantage over the Naim if more energy and tube-like character are preferred. The Naim stands out in PRAT qualities but lacks the energy and dynamics of the LFD.

As a side note, I have to add that the type of music plays a part as well. For example, there would be little difference between the Rega and Naim if some slow music or vocals are played on them. If complex or faster music are played, the pace and rhythm of the Naim will shine through. The same can be said with the LFD.

Gan CK may be able to offer you better advice since he has listened to the Lavardin IS and is the owner of the LFD LEIII.

Denjo owns the LFD, NaimUniti, Leben CS600 and a few other amps. Not too sure if he has listened to the Lavardin. You might want to check with him.

Let me know if you have any further questions. Hope that helps.

By the way, Jeff Day reviewed the Lavardin with the Harbeth and review turned out to be excellent. I believe you don't need to look at any further changes as the Lavardin is a good musical amp for your Harbeth. Musicality and tonal accuracy were said to be strong attributes on the Lavardin. If more energy and dynamics are desired the LFD remains a good proposition.