HUG - here for all audio enthusiasts

The Harbeth User Group is the primary channel for public communication with Harbeth's HQ. If you have a 'scientific mind' and are curious about how the ear works, how it can lead us to make the right - and wrong - audio equipment decisions, and about the technical ins and outs of audio equipment, how it's designed and what choices the designer makes, then the factual Science of Audio sub-forum area of HUG is your place. The objective methods of comparing audio equipment under controlled conditions has been thoroughly examined here on HUG and elsewhere and should be accessible to non-experts and able to be tried-out at home without deep technical knowledge. From a design perspective, today's award winning Harbeths could not have been designed any other way.

Alternatively, if you just like chatting about audio and subjectivity rules for you, then the Subjective Soundings area is you. If you are quite set in your subjectivity, then HUG is likely to be a bit too fact based for you, as many of the contributors have maximised their pleasure in home music reproduction by allowing their head to rule their heart. If upon examination we think that Posts are better suited to one sub-forum than than the other, they will be redirected during Moderation, which is applied throughout the site.

Questions and Posts about, for example, 'does amplifier A sounds better than amplifier B' or 'which speaker stands or cables are best' are suitable for the Subjective Soundings area only, although HUG is really not the best place to have these sort of purely subjective airings.

The Moderators' decision is final in all matters and Harbeth does not necessarily agree with the contents of any member contributions, especially in the Subjective Soundings area, and has no control over external content.

That's it! Enjoy!

{Updated Oct. 2017}
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    Joeinid made a comment about supporting favoured manufacturers by buying their products new. What is the psychology behind this? Does it imply that if we are resentful of a manufacturer we would only buy their products on the used market?

    For reasons of economy it is possible to buy a perfectly good audio system on the second hand market.

    Do people waste dealer's time by getting a long demo and then buy on the used market?

    Personally, I went for a Harbeth demo and bought a new pair on the spot. I then ordered a second new pair without a demo.

    On the other hand, my amplifier maker is happy to modify or upgrade second hand amplifiers. He has upgraded one for me, largely rebuilt another and made me a phono amp from new and then modified it to add a pre-amp. As I have found out recently, Quad have superb service and will even provide a new box. I appreciate that speaker manufacturers will eventually run out of spare replacement drivers, whereas most electronic components can be replaced.

    There is also the issue of warranties. Audio seems to be so reliable these days, warranties seem to be a non-issue. The only item I had that failed in use was 8 years old and bought ex-demo in the first place. The manufacturer shipped it to Sweden and back and fixed it free of charge on the basis that it shouldn't have failed - ever.

    Another factor seems to be the unsurprising fact that current Harbeth models very rarely appear on the second hand market. This would suggest that most Harbeth owners bought new.

    Curious if anyone shares joeinid's moral obligation to buy new rather than used products, and why.

    What is the manufacturer's view of the resale market?