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Amplifier selection for your Harbeths (general, not specific Harbeth models)

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  • Re: Amplifiers for your Harbeths

    probably the bloke needs to give the Plinius/Harbeth combo another go - without knowing that it's a Plinius driving those Harbeths

    The thread is quite interesting, meandering into various topics and back again.

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    • Re: Amplifiers for your Harbeths

      Originally posted by Bruce
      Well, that's where we differ. I want speakers that I can listen to for hours and just enjoy the music without constantly analyzing it to determine whether I have just the right components. What's the good of being accurate if you can't stand to listen to it.
      At the risk of being sneered at by most audiophiles, I think you are being overly concerned with components other than the speakers. When I purchased my SHL5's, I changed nothing in front of them. That includes a very old solid state pre-amp, a not-expensive Japanese solid-state amp, interconnects I made myself with wire and parts from Radio Shack, and 16 gauge "zip" chord for speaker wires. I have heard only lovely music from the Harbeths, and no obvious problems from the components. In my opinion, the speakers and the room in which you place them are the major considerations leading to wonderful sound.

      Ned

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      • Re: Amplifiers for your Harbeths

        Has anyone heard Nuforce 9s with Super 5s, or other Harbeths? Based on review comments, I'm thinking it would be a good match but don't have any way to audition that pairing.

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        • Re: Amplifiers for your Harbeths

          Originally posted by Ned Mast
          At the risk of being sneered at by most audiophiles, I think you are being overly concerned with components other than the speakers. When I purchased my SHL5's, I changed nothing in front of them. That includes a very old solid state pre-amp, a not-expensive Japanese solid-state amp, interconnects I made myself with wire and parts from Radio Shack, and 16 gauge "zip" chord for speaker wires. I have heard only lovely music from the Harbeths, and no obvious problems from the components. In my opinion, the speakers and the room in which you place them are the major considerations leading to wonderful sound.

          Ned
          Ned is right.
          There are 2 types of audiophiles: Those who listen to music, and those who try to "listen" through machines. The latter usually forget the music itself. Said a dozen times, Harbeths don't need the Superman to drive them... Just a good humble amp and a well taken care of the room.
          Does anyone think that a pair of Harbeths driven by an ONGAKU instead of a PRIMALUNA (both valve integrateds, about same power, with a price difference of about 54.000 pounds!!!!!), will be heard reproducing the same music from planet Mars than from planet Earth?
          I can use the 54.000 pounds to hire the BERLINER PHILARMONIKER and CHORUS for a day, to perform the Beethoven's 9th, with Alan Shaw in the front seat of the audience accompanied from 500 Harbeth fans, all drinking DOM PERIGNON and eating CHAVIAR at the same time...
          Please take it seriously but just with a bit of Humor...
          Cheers,
          Thanos

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          • BAT Amps compatibility with Harbeths

            I am actively shopping for amps and was highly recommended to BAT (Balanced Audio Technology) Amps and Preamps. Has anyone heard BAT electronics matched with Harbeths and if so, how would you describe the sound characteristics? I own the Monitor 30 speakers. Many thanks for your advice.

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            • WPC for Monitor 30's

              I am considering, based upon recommendations from colleagues who are experts in stereo equipment, getting an amplifier rated at 250 wpc at 8 Ohms. Is the Monitor 30's an 8 Ohm speaker? Is a 250 wpc amp OK for these speakers, in careful hands, or is it considered too much power? Many thanks for your replies.

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              • Re: BAT Amps compatibility with Harbeths (the overview)

                Originally posted by ranyc
                I am actively shopping for amps and was highly recommended to BAT (Balanced Audio Technology) Amps and Preamps. Has anyone heard BAT electronics matched with Harbeths and if so, how would you describe the sound characteristics? I own the Monitor 30 speakers. Many thanks for your advice.
                This subject has been covered in very great detail here: http://www.harbeth.co.uk/usergroup/showthread.php?t=41
                Alan A. Shaw
                Designer, owner
                Harbeth Audio UK

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                • Re: Amplifier selection for your Harbeths (general, not specific Harbeth models)

                  What?s a relief to have your information above. Now I can sit back and relax with my new SHL5 powered by a solid state amplifier which contributes 75w @ 8 ohms.

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                  • Re: BAT Amps compatibility with Harbeths (the overview)

                    Originally posted by A.S.
                    This subject has been covered in very great detail here: http://www.harbeth.co.uk/usergroup/showthread.php?t=41

                    Well, that thread includes discussion of theoretical power requirements for Harbeth speakers, but does not address BAT. Or is that not relevant because all well-designed amplifiers sound alike?

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                    • Re: What drives your Harbeths?

                      Musical Fidelity A3.5 Integrated Amp, Musical Fidelity A3.5 CD run through a Musical Fidelity Tube Stage with separate Musical Fidelity Power Supply. All Kimber cables to Super HL5. Sounds great!

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                      • Re: Amplifier selection for your Harbeths (general, not specific Harbeth models)

                        For months used a solid state mccormack dna 0.5 to drive the Compact 7es2-- very good sound.

                        Had a chance to try the PS Audio HCA2 (150w digital amp)-- even better.

                        The other day, a friend lend his Conrad Johnson MV60 tube amp-- wow, also very good!

                        cables are a mixed bunch: audience interconnect, TG slvr IC, analysis plus oval 12 speaker cables, skyland 20" 4 post stand

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                        • Re: What drives your Harbeths?

                          Hello,
                          I AM THANOS, A FRIEND AND NEIGHBOR FROM ATHENS. ARE YOU FROM ISTANBUL? MY FAMILY ORIGINATES FROM THERE! AS I HAVE WRITTEN BEFORE, ITS NOT A MATTER OF SO MUCH POWER, AS IT IS RATHER OF QUALITY, TO DRIVE YOUR HARBETHS. I READ YOUR COMMENTS IN AUDIOREVIEW. I DRIVE THEM WITH A MACINTOSH MA 6500 (2 x 120 WRMS) WITH EXCELLENT RESULTS. I BELIEVE THAT ANY FINE QUALITY MEDIUM POWERED INTEGRATED WOULD BE ADEQUATE TO DRIVE THEM. AND, THIS EASE OF DRIVE - I CALL IT EXCEPTIONAL VERSATILITY- IS WHAT MAKES HARBETHS TO STAND ALONE ONE STEP ABOVE ALL THEIR COMPETITORS.
                          GREETINGS,
                          THANOS

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                          • Re: What drives your Harbeths?

                            I'm using a 1960s Class A Sugden A51 (25 watts) to drive my HP3s, with very pleasing results. I seem to be going further and further back to "classic" or "vintage" equipment. Strangely, it has been the Harbeths that have induced me to change a newer front end and amplification for old. I've replaced my Linn LP 12 with Thorens 124 and 125 turntables, from the '50s and '70s, respectively. And I consider the HP3s to continue a classic tradition. (And let's not forget those welding cables!)

                            Only CD has me stumped. I couldn't bear to listen to anything earlier than the '90s, and even then it doesn't give me much joy. What would the Harbeth equivalent of the HP3s be in a CD player, I wonder?

                            David

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                            • Re: WPC for Monitor 30's

                              Originally posted by ranyc
                              I am considering, based upon recommendations from colleagues who are experts in stereo equipment, getting an amplifier rated at 250 wpc at 8 Ohms. Is the Monitor 30's an 8 Ohm speaker? Is a 250 wpc amp OK for these speakers, in careful hands, or is it considered too much power? Many thanks for your replies.
                              250 ? Do you "wanna make a party" ? :-)))
                              I heard M 30 with 250watts Pass Labs and it sounds good, but what price !!

                              David

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                              • Harbeth C7ES2 & Lavardin IS Reference = Sonic Bliss!

                                The Search is over... I have found the amp that blew all my previous amp audition. This amp enables me to listen to details, clarity that I haven't heard in other amp. With only 35 watts, it drove my C7 effort to a full-bodied and properly balanced sound, with superb bass. Finally? my C7ES2 can rock with fast pace music? with full sonic bliss!


                                http://www.soundscape2.com/rn-room-001-4.jpg


                                Originally posted by Soundbyte
                                All,
                                It was a heated argument with regards to Plinius amp with Harbeth C7ES2 in a local Hi-fi forum stating it was unmusical combo and bland.

                                http://www.echoloft.com/cgi-bin/YaBB...8391&start=210

                                Surprisingly... quit a lot of Harbeth forumers do partner their beloved Harbeth C7ES2 with Plinius 9200. In addition, I believe that US distributor often partner these two items together for the "hi-fi" shows....

                                Is there any truth to all this?

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