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  • Re: Harbeth C7ES2 & Lavardin IS Reference = Sonic Bliss!

    what Musical Fidelity cdplayer is?

    David

    Originally posted by Soundbyte
    The Search is over... I have found the amp that blew all my previous amp audition. This amp enables me to listen to details, clarity that I haven't heard in other amp. With only 35 watts, it drove my C7 effort to a full-bodied and properly balanced sound, with superb bass. Finally… my C7ES2 can rock with fast pace music… with full sonic bliss!


    http://www.soundscape2.com/rn-room-001-4.jpg

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    • Re: Harbeth C7ES2 & Lavardin IS Reference = Sonic Bliss!

      Originally posted by airdavid
      what Musical Fidelity cdplayer is?

      David
      It is the Musical Fidelity A3.2 CD player.

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      • Re: Harbeth C7ES2 & Lavardin IS Reference = Sonic Bliss!

        Soundbyte,

        What amps did you audition with the C7s apart from the Lavardin?

        I was thinking of a second-hand Accuphase, Sphinx or McIntosh integrated for my C7s...

        Cheers
        Deon

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        • Re: Harbeth C7ES2 & Lavardin IS Reference = Sonic Bliss!

          Originally posted by DeonG
          Soundbyte,

          What amps did you audition with the C7s apart from the Lavardin?

          I was thinking of a second-hand Accuphase, Sphinx or McIntosh integrated for my C7s...

          Cheers
          Deon
          Hi Deon,

          I have tried them both with Macs and a couple of Accuphases. So:

          Macs drive them easily. They are laid back, very musical, and with huge staging. You'll have to get used to their dinstinctive sound though. It extends to the finest detail, yet with a bit rounded edges. "Oldfashioned", but glorious reproduction. Accu's are more delicate and a bit detailed, especially in the highs. Less impressive in upper and lower bass management. Equally or more musical than Macs, on a wholistic approach. But, much more expensive, especially in Europe... And an Accu won't last longer than a Mac, nor it will cost less in possible repair. As for Looks, I personally prefer the traditional -yet less luxurious than Accuphase- looks of Macs. Then, if you don't have balanced connections on your player, you don't have to pay/buy an Accuphase which has them in all models. But Mac MA 6500 hasn't got them. I bought it and I'm happy with it. Accuphase reminds me something of a Porsche Cayenne jeep, but Mac is like a Land Rover.
          You don't want to scratch your super Cayenne... But you don't fear/care if you drive your Land Rover V8 into the heart of London, or in the middle of Sahara desert..
          Cheers,
          Thanos

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          • Re: Harbeth C7ES2 & Lavardin IS Reference = Sonic Bliss!

            Hi DeonG,
            These are the following amp I tried:
            • Sugden A21SE
            • SimAudio I-5
            • Lavardin IT, IS Ref, IS
            • Roksan Kandy MKIII - My old Int Amp
            • Plinius 9200
            • Naim Nait 5i - Good pace & timing but a bit cude sounding


            I don't have a big living hall... (5.5 X 4 Meters) I am using the longer side of the room. But suprising the Lavardin with only 35 Watts is much more powerful than my 120 Watts Roksan Kandy MKIII.

            I guess you got to try the others amp... because in Singapore most dealers/retailers do not allow home trial... So I have only limited choice to try.

            Cheers.

            Originally posted by DeonG
            Soundbyte,

            What amps did you audition with the C7s apart from the Lavardin?

            I was thinking of a second-hand Accuphase, Sphinx or McIntosh integrated for my C7s...

            Cheers
            Deon

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            • Re: Amplifier selection for your Harbeths (general, not specific Harbeth models)

              I was able to try the Lavardin IT with my C7ES2.

              I felt it was a good combo at first but after a while i find the sound too smooth for my taste.

              I'm not so sure if I was able to match them properly. Interconnects I used ranged from the copper Analysis plus to the Audience Conductors. Speaker cables were Analysis Plus. My CD player was the Naim CD5.

              Anyhow, I find the Audible Illusions Modulus 3a with either the Conrad MV60 Or with the McCormack 100 watter to be more satisfying match in my system with the C7ES2.

              Again, your experience might be different.

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              • Re: Harbeth C7ES2 & Lavardin IS Reference = Sonic Bliss!

                Originally posted by Soundbyte
                Hi DeonG,
                These are the following amp I tried:
                • Sugden A21SE
                • SimAudio I-5
                • Lavardin IT, IS Ref, IS
                • Roksan Kandy MKIII - My old Int Amp
                • Plinius 9200
                • Naim Nait 5i - Good pace & timing but a bit cude sounding


                I don't have a big living hall... (5.5 X 4 Meters) I am using the longer side of the room. But suprising the Lavardin with only 35 Watts is much more powerful than my 120 Watts Roksan Kandy MKIII.

                I guess you got to try the others amp... because in Singapore most dealers/retailers do not allow home trial... So I have only limited choice to try.

                Cheers.

                Hi Soundbyte,
                I recently upgraded from Simaudio i-5(too bright for my taste) to Plinius 9200. The Plinius 9200 is a much warm sounding amp, I dont get the harshness as I got from my i-5, much sweeter mid and fuller sound in low listening volume(night). This is the 2nd day and it's not "burn in "yet. How do you compare the sound from Plinius 9200 to the Lavardin? Thanks

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                • Re: Harbeth C7ES2 & Lavardin IS Reference = Sonic Bliss!

                  Hi Wlmdx,
                  IMHO "feel" from the SimAudio i-5 is "bright" and very detail but I can't stand listen long. And Plinius is a bit too "warm" for my taste and it loose the details. I find Lavardin suite me the "best" because it is clear, details and clean tight bass note to "wow" me! If you can try to get a Lavardin IS Ref or IT to try it side by side with your Plinius ... to see which you pefer. I think that Plinius require quite a while to breakin... so wait awile to ensure a fair comparision.

                  Cheers.

                  PS. another user in Singapore also partner his beloved Harbeth P3 with Lavardin IS.
                  http://www.soundscape2.com/ph-system-001-1.jpg

                  Originally posted by wlmdx
                  Hi Soundbyte,
                  I recently upgraded from Simaudio i-5(too bright for my taste) to Plinius 9200. The Plinius 9200 is a much warm sounding amp, I dont get the harshness as I got from my i-5, much sweeter mid and fuller sound in low listening volume(night). This is the 2nd day and it's not "burn in "yet. How do you compare the sound from Plinius 9200 to the Lavardin? Thanks

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                  • Re: Amplifier selection for your Harbeths (general, not specific Harbeth models)

                    Agreed, YMMV - As for me, I like the smooth sounding Amp - That was the reason I gotten the Roksan Kandy MKIII as it sounds smoother than my old receiver AV amplifer...

                    But when compared to Lavardin it was still quite "crude" and "veil" - as though the curtains have been lifted up and the sound is more open!

                    Cheers.

                    Originally posted by Ferdinand777
                    I was able to try the Lavardin IT with my C7ES2.

                    I felt it was a good combo at first but after a while i find the sound too smooth for my taste.

                    I'm not so sure if I was able to match them properly. Interconnects I used ranged from the copper Analysis plus to the Audience Conductors. Speaker cables were Analysis Plus. My CD player was the Naim CD5.

                    Anyhow, I find the Audible Illusions Modulus 3a with either the Conrad MV60 Or with the McCormack 100 watter to be more satisfying match in my system with the C7ES2.

                    Again, your experience might be different.

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                    • Re: Amplifier selection for your Harbeths (general, not specific Harbeth models)

                      Hi all,

                      Has anyone compared the Lavardin IS Ref with the Creek 5350SE (which I am currently using)? How much better is it?

                      Speaker is Harbeth Compact 7ES-2. Thanks.

                      Regards,
                      Chris

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                      • Re: Amplifier selection for your Harbeths (general, not specific Harbeth models)

                        Hi Chris,
                        Well the local distributor do not allow me to have a home trial for the Creek amp. I heard it in the showroom but is not the same speakers and CD player... so I don't think I can really comment.

                        Do you find anything lacking in your Creek amp? For my old Roksan Amp... I thought it was only bass light untill I compare it with Lavardin IS Ref; it was more than bass light, it was a bit crude and veil.... and unable to play complex music. Now I can enjoy a wider range of music...

                        Cheers.



                        Originally posted by fongc
                        Hi all,

                        Has anyone compared the Lavardin IS Ref with the Creek 5350SE (which I am currently using)? How much better is it?

                        Speaker is Harbeth Compact 7ES-2. Thanks.

                        Regards,
                        Chris

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                        • Re: Amplifier selection for your Harbeths (general, not specific Harbeth models)

                          Originally posted by Soundbyte
                          Hi Chris,
                          Well the local distributor do not allow me to have a home trial for the Creek amp. I heard it in the showroom but is not the same speakers and CD player... so I don't think I can really comment.

                          Do you find anything lacking in your Creek amp? For my old Roksan Amp... I thought it was only bass light untill I compare it with Lavardin IS Ref; it was more than bass light, it was a bit crude and veil.... and unable to play complex music. Now I can enjoy a wider range of music...

                          Cheers.
                          Thanks Soundbyte. I don't have much of an issue with the Creek, it is a really good amp at its price. Just wondering how much better is the Lavardin IS Ref as I have read so many positive reviews about it.

                          The only issue is that I am in Hong Kong and there is no local distributor here, so I can't compare either. Might have to get a chance to come over to Singapore to do the listening test...

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                          • Re: Amplifier selection for your Harbeths (general, not specific Harbeth models)

                            Originally posted by Soundbyte
                            Agreed, YMMV - As for me, I like the smooth sounding Amp - That was the reason I gotten the Roksan Kandy MKIII as it sounds smoother than my old receiver AV amplifer...

                            But when compared to Lavardin it was still quite "crude" and "veil" - as though the curtains have been lifted up and the sound is more open!

                            Cheers.

                            Without a doubt the IT Lavardin I owned for a year or so was one of the smoothest sounding amplifier among the many talents it possesed: soundstage, the accurate tonality, cleanliness, refinement... I felt that this amplifier did more magic for me when driving the Maggies MG12 compared to the Harbeth Compact 7es2.

                            regards

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                            • How a Leben amplifier would fit??

                              Hello,
                              i am a new member as I have recently decided to go for a pair of C7! I also need to purchase an amplifier, i listened to a lamp amplifier from the japanese small firm Leben, model CS300 with only 12 watts power but sounds great.. http://www.soundscapehifi.com/leben-integrated.htm
                              Is anybody know if this is a good match with the C7 or if a ?2,000 euros budget would allow me to get an amplifier that suits better?
                              I have a 25m2 room and listen jazz, pop and also some hip-pop(!) so good bass is important.
                              thanks in advance
                              Sebastian

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                              • Re: Amplifier selection for your Harbeths (general, not specific Harbeth models)

                                Originally posted by Chayro
                                Nap 250-2 with the SHL-5s.
                                and what nac, cd, etc....?

                                david

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