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LFD released the LFD LE IV Signature Amplifier: A review

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  • #16
    LFD "Sig"

    Originally posted by hifi_dave View Post
    Mine reads Int Zero IV Sig and then the serial number.

    I'm not sure what the differences are for the US models, I'm not privileged to such information. All I can say is that my LFD is sounding very good indeed through the M30's today.
    To the best of my knowledge, if you too have "Sig" on that back plate, then we both have the same model even though you are in the UK and I in the US. Will ask Gene Rubin to clarify this.

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    • #17
      LFD capacitors, cables etc .....

      On the Gene Rubin blurb it talks about capacitors, ribbon cable and silver terminals as the difference. Well, my Mk.IV has gold terminals so, I guess, it hasn't got the funky caps and ribbon cable inside either. I don't know how much difference that makes though.

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      • #18
        LFD component variations by market

        I have just had an e-mail from LFD and it would appear that the Mk.IV made for Gene Rubin does have slightly different components as mentioned previously. This is to provide the performance and sound that they prefer.

        My Mk.IV is sounding more open and communicative today through the M30's. Dr Bews reckons 40 hours of run-in time should do the trick.

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        • #19
          LFD USA Version - a clarification from an insider

          Hello to Supersnake, Dave and others,

          The USA/Canada version of the LE IV has certain critical upgraded parts that Dr. Bews suggested would be nice to incorporate, but would raise the price a few hundred dollars. Having conversed with Fidelis, we all agreed that most USA customers would prefer to spend a bit more for the added performance. There are "sig" versions made for certain other countries such as Belgium, but none of the other versions are the same as the USA/Canada version (which by the way only comes in 115 volts, 60 hz).

          On the issue of whether the NCSE is worth the extra bucks over the LE III or LE IV, it certainly is. When Sam Tellig reviewed the NCSE, he did not have an LEIII for direct comparison. He was working with his memory. I have found comparing these amps difficult without direct comparison. I remember the very first NCSE to arrive to my shop. I had a couple of customers over, I plugged the stone cold NCSE in to warm a few minutes. We were listening to some music on the LEIII and then switched over to the NCSE. Ok, it seemed better, not a lot better. After 10 minutes of listening to the NCSE, I switched back to the LEIII. Something was wrong! I checked and re-checked my connections. Hmm...everything was hooked up right. The NCSE, basically makes the LEIII sound defective by comparison! I have since done this comparison many times, as has my clients in their own homes. The NCSE wins, big time, every time. Most NCSE customers are previous LE III owners. Not one who has made the listening comparison in my shop has resisted the NCSE.

          I have been selling better hi-fi for 32 years. The LFD amps are unique in the sense that most people "upgrading" to LFD amps, are trading in considerably more expensive gear to arrive at the LE III, LE IV or NCSE. Examples are from a certain well respected amp/preamp combo worth around $15,000 traded for the LFD Mistral years back, all the way to an industry expert trading his $54,000 preamp/amp combination on an NCSE! I could go on and on with these stories.

          There are a lot of great amps out there, I sell many of them. But the LFD is unique. Maybe not everyone's 1st choice, maybe only the choice of 90% of those who give it a listen.

          One more funny experience I get selling LFD amps. I can't count how many people come into the shop and say, "I could never have an amp without remote control, but please, could I give the LFD a listen just for fun?". Twenty minutes later I typically hear, "On second thought, who really needs a remote?", as they walk out the door with their new LFD. Usually a pair of Harbeth Compact 7 es3, already in the trunk of their car.

          Regards, Gene Rubin

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          • #20
            LFD LE III best amp?

            Hi Gene, thks for that very interesting story. I own the LE III & its a very musically compelling amp indeed! I've had many amps in the past 20 odd years, some even exceeding SGD14K pre/power/dedicated power supplies & to date, i'd say that the LE III is the best amp i ever had even though it may not be the most expensive, complex, heaviest or most powerful on paper. Hope to hear an NCSE in direct comparison with the LE III one day.

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            • #21
              LFD - no remote control

              Originally posted by generubin View Post
              There are a lot of great amps out there, I sell many of them. But the LFD is unique. Maybe not everyone's 1st choice, maybe only the choice of 90% of those who give it a listen.

              One more funny experience I get selling LFD amps. I can't count how many people come into the shop and say, "I could never have an amp without remote control, but please, could I give the LFD a listen just for fun?". Twenty minutes later I typically hear, "On second thought, who really needs a remote?", as they walk out the door with their new LFD. Usually a pair of Harbeth Compact 7 es3, already in the trunk of their car.
              I can attest to Gene's experience. I have tried half a dozen amps with the SHL5s before listening to the LFD LEIII in my system. The minute when the LEIII was fired up from cold, this small little cracker of an amp blew away all my previous amps, one which include a pre/power amp combination which costs 3X more than the LEIII. In this sense, I am not too surprised to hear about an industry expert who traded in his $54,000 preamp/amp combination for an NCSE.

              I would have settled for the LEIII if not because of my minor gripe on the lack of remote control with the amp. I got the Rega Elicit hoping it would sound close to the LEIII with added features of a remote control but found out later that it was a big mistake instead. The LFD LEIII is certainly unique and one of a kind although some folks may prefer others(Luxman, Naim etc).

              If the LEIV is an improvement over the LEIII the unit would be something really special.

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              • #22
                Lfd ncse

                I have been 'baby sitting' my friend's LFD NCSE on and off and found that after a long break-in period (wherein I initially felt that it was not too different from the LE3), the sound has now opened up and sounds very musical. One of the characteristic feature of LFD amplifiers is how the music is non-fatiguing! You can simply leave the music playing 24/7 with nary a hint of listener fatigue!

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                • #23
                  So, what's gonna happen when your friend wants his LFD back ?

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                  • #24
                    LFD NCSE .... Reluctantly Return

                    Hi hifi_dave

                    Well, if my friend wants his LFD NCSE back I guess I will reluctantly have to return the amplifier to him! He is presently enamoured with a Cary 300 SEI and, being a tube guy at heart, I think he does prefer tubes to SS. In the remote chance that he does not want the NCSE, I would certainly buy it from him if the price was right!

                    I have listened to an Accuphase E560 (30 watts, class A) and I think the Accuphase is a step up from the NCSE. It is more refined than the NCSE but both are definitely one of the best integrateds I have had the pleasure of auditioning.

                    Best Regards
                    Dennis

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                    • #25
                      Ldf

                      he will not be able to listen to his system for 24/7 without any fatigue in this case

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                      • #26
                        ACcuphase, LFD

                        Originally posted by coredump View Post
                        he will not be able to listen to his system for 24/7 without any fatigue in this case
                        coredump: the Accuphase E560 is also very listenable and provides for a limpid musical experience that is equally non-fatiguing (albeit the Accuphase is not an entirely 'green' product since it consumes about 170 watts even at idle). Both the LFD NCSE and the Accuphase E560 are right at the top of the integrated league table, with some preferring the NCSE while others would prefer the E560. The NCSE does not have remote and is spartan while the E560 has a slew of features, including remote.

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                        • #27
                          Integrated (Harbeth) amp?

                          E560, that's a cool amplifier. I have heard many integrated like Lavardin IT, Gryphon ATILLA, kARAN KAI180 but will not place deposit for it until i hear it with my SHL5 in my room (which will never happen). Thus, will hold on and wait for the Harbeth integrate amp.. which should be cheaper.. maybe i would forget about the integrated and upgrade my CDP.

                          BTW, why is there so much hype on integrated ampliifier? isn't because it is the closest and only electrical-powered equipment connected to the Harbeth speaker...

                          {Moderator's comment: Frankly, inviting comments in an open forum on our marketing concept for the Harbeth amplifier did not give us an unambiguous green light as we expected. The discussion became waylaid by a handful of vociferous contributors into the business rights or wrongs and not as we hoped about sonic performance, features, topology, servicing, after care, durability etc. etc. So this project is unlikely to proceed.}

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                          • #28
                            Why integrated amps?

                            Originally posted by coredump View Post
                            BTW, why is there so much hype on integrated amplifier? isn't because it is the closest and only electrical-powered equipment connected to the Harbeth speaker...
                            coredump: Well, there is much to be said about the simplicity of the integrated - single box, with one less power cord and interconnect - and, despite contrary views, a well designed integrated can sound just as good as a pre/power combo! I think there are many audiophiles who prefer a simple hifi rig and the integrated targets such a group of audiophiles, without compromising musicality.

                            To Moderator: it is a real pity that the Harbeth integrated is unlikely to proceed!

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                            • #29
                              Harbeth amp

                              Originally posted by denjo View Post

                              <snip>...

                              To Moderator: it is a real pity that the Harbeth integrated is unlikely to proceed!
                              Really? I did not know that.... I have a fund going for that one...

                              {Moderator's comment: please re-read the whole ghastly saga.}

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                              • #30
                                The Harbeth amp - and all the hostility

                                Originally posted by coredump View Post
                                BTW, why is there so much hype on integrated ampliifier? isn't because it is the closest and only electrical-powered equipment connected to the Harbeth speaker...

                                {Moderator's comment: Frankly, inviting comments in an open forum on our marketing concept for the Harbeth amplifier did not give us an unambiguous green light as we expected. The discussion became waylaid by a handful of vociferous contributors into the business rights or wrongs and not as we hoped about sonic performance, features, topology, servicing, after care, durability etc. etc. So this project is unlikely to proceed.}
                                Chanced upon this thread - and remembered the late Peter Walker, one time Quad designer/owner description of the perfect amplifier - straight wire with gain, or something similar. And all that I have read on this forum after joining it.

                                Beyond a certain price point, that should be quite low now with the standardization, reliability and pricing of electronic parts, not much should be audible as a difference in an AxB comparison with just a change to amplifier A of a similar power output from amplifier B? Or from amplifier A mark 1 and its mark 2 model?

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