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"This Harbeth User Group (HUG) is the Manufacturer's own managed forum dedicated to natural sound, realisable by controlling the confounding variables between tthe microphone and the listeners' ears.

For example, the design of and interaction between the hifi amplifier and its speaker load can and potentially will alter the sound balance of what you hear. To reproduce the sounds captured by the recording microphones, as Harbeth speakers are designed to do, you would naturally select system components (sources, electronics, cables and so on) that do not color the sound before it reaches the speakers.

Identifying components for their system neutrality should, logically, start with the interpretation and analysis of their technical, objective performance, as any and every deviation from a measurably flat frequency response at any point along the serial chain from microphone to ear is very likely to cause the total system to have an audible sonic personality. That includes the contribution of the listening room itself.

HUG specialises in making complex technical matters simple to understand, aiding the identification of audio components likely to maintain a faithful relationship between the recorded sound and the sound you hear. With our heritage of natural sound, HUG cannot be really be expected to guide in the selection, approval, endorsement or even discussion of equipment that is intend to introduce a significantly personalised sound to the audio signal chain. For that you should do your own research and above all, make the effort to visit an Authorised Dealer and listen to your music at your loudness on your loudspeakers through the various electronics offered there. There is no on-line substitute for that time investment in a dealer's showroom.

If you desire to intentionally tune your system sound to your personal taste, please consider carefully how much you should rely upon the subjective opinions of strangers. Their hearing acuity and taste will be different to yours, as will be their motives and budget, their listening distance, listening loudness and listening room treatment, not necessarily leading to appropriate equipment selection and listening satisfaction for you.

Alternatively, if faithfully reproducing the sound intended by the composer, score, conductor and musicians over your speakers is your audio dream, then understanding something of the issues likely to fulfill that objective is what this forum has been helping with since 2006. Welcome!"


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  • #16
    I don't really know - my comparison many years ago was with the V15 circa 1990. You may well be correct but I doubt if it is now possible to do a comparison!
    David
    PS For interest I attach the frequency response for the actual EPC-U205CMk3 cartridge I bought - I've never seen anything better than this! [I'm aware that one can damp out spectrum peaks by judicious choice of pen damping with this measurement equipment but troughs or sustained peaks cannot be hidden.]
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    Last edited by davidlovel; 01-12-2011, 03:53 PM. Reason: Added Technics EPC cartridge frequency response

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    • #17
      I have not had a re-tip done by Soundsmith, but I am using their MMC2 cartridge on my old B&O turntable and we enjoy it in our family room system. Soundsmith is generally well-regarded. The founder, Peter Lederman, is passionate about his products.

      If you like the sound of your DL-103, you might also try the ZuDL103 cartridge from Zu Audio in Ogden Utah. I use one on my VPI turntable (see photo).
      Originally posted by camel View Post
      any comment about this: http://www.sound-smith.com/retip/

      is it worth?
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      • #18
        Originally posted by A.S. View Post
        For our money the MM game plateaued with the 70s V15/III. Doubt anything better is possible? Was recently gifted a very expensive sealed-box MC Ortofon cartridge by a chum and fitted it with great care to my TD125/SME 3009-2. Lifeless, lacking in HF sparkle and removed after a day and the V15/III refitted. Bliss (as far as LP is possible).

        As a result of this very limited experience, I am highly suspicious about MC cartridges now. It simply wasn't 'high fidelity' as I understand it. Their (then) entry level MM 520 was far more open and as I checked the frequency response virtually a flat line.

        Curves available if you're interested of various cartridges I measured.
        Hi Alan,

        if i undrestood, you suggest to me for a Shure cartridge MM?

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        • #19
          thinking about Audio-Technica AT-150MLX!!

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          • #20
            Originally posted by camel View Post
            thinking about Audio-Technica AT-150MLX!!
            If you like AT, i suggest you check out OC9/III or AT-33PTG. I am currently using AT-33PTG & am very happy with it. From what i read so far, the 33PTG is better than the AT-150MLX. I've heard several very expensive carts on even more expensive turntables but don't feel that my AT-33PTG on my inexpensive vintage turntable is in any way outclassed by any of those hyper expensive carts/turntables. Only caveat is that the 33PTG takes a pretty long time to break in.

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            • #21
              I've already order it (AT-150MLX).!!

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              • #22
                The match of tone-arm and cartridge is also critical. A high compliance cartridge will work with lightweight arms (i.e. ortofon 2m black with SME V) and a low compliance cartridge will work well with a high mass arm (SME 3012 series 1 with a Denon DL103).

                I just expanded my turntable collection with a Lenco L70 with the very heavy P77 tonearm and mounted a DL103. And it sings, beautiful bass. Quite different from my 2M Black on SME V with Garrard 401.

                Despite the rumble of the Lenco, I seem to enjoy it more. At the same time I love the super quiet 401 with the high precision SME V and 2m Black.

                Well, at least we still have plenty of choice to play around with

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                • #23
                  We do! There is so much interesting and truly well made analogue stuff out there, much more than there is in the loudspeaker-department (i.e. a Harbeth is a more unique item than an Ortofon or even a Lyra).

                  Vinylists still have it good these days and I've just 'discovered' a gem: the Grado Statement Sonata.

                  This is easily the most organic and holographic cart that has resided in my Jelco SA750D tonearm so far. My last was a Benz ACE SL; great cart but not as natural or mature in terms of timbre & natural bloom.

                  It is low output so it can be connected to he same MC input as our previous cart (phonostage has to be set to 47 kiloOhms though).

                  Grado, like Harbeth, is a traditional and long-running company where pride is taken in making an honest, musical product. The Grado-Harbeth transducer pairing is a very good one (I always like to keep the character of the source and speaker balanced; they should 'agree' on how to portrey music).




                  Originally posted by Boukman View Post
                  The match of tone-arm and cartridge is also critical. A high compliance cartridge will work with lightweight arms (i.e. ortofon 2m black with SME V) and a low compliance cartridge will work well with a high mass arm (SME 3012 series 1 with a Denon DL103).

                  I just expanded my turntable collection with a Lenco L70 with the very heavy P77 tonearm and mounted a DL103. And it sings, beautiful bass. Quite different from my 2M Black on SME V with Garrard 401.

                  Despite the rumble of the Lenco, I seem to enjoy it more. At the same time I love the super quiet 401 with the high precision SME V and 2m Black.

                  Well, at least we still have plenty of choice to play around with

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