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  • #61
    I have several TT's and my preferences tend to change:

    Home: Garrard 401, SME V, Ortofon 2M Black and Lenco L70, Lenco P77 arm and Denon DL103
    Office: Technics SP10, SME 3009 II, Denon DL 160 and Lenco Goldring GL88, SME 3009 II and Nagaoka MP500

    The Garrard and the L70 are my favourites (maybe because they go through Croft amps and SHL5's); The SP10 is a beauty and very easy to use.

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    • #62
      Another vinyl lover here, too. My deck, love it or loathe it, is the Linn LP12 Sondek. I love it. Mine has the Linn Radikal PSU, Linn Keel subchassis for the Naim Aro, a Trampolin 2 baseplate and a Dynavector DV-20X2L cart mounted on the Aro arm. Plus an Okki Nokki for cleaning the LPs.

      Br,
      Teme

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      • #63
        A Garrard 401 with Denon DL 103 on an SME 3012 tonearm... For me it doesn't get any better than that...

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        • #64
          Just arrived to complete my system based on the Compact 7. . .



          Lenco L75 S16 with original Acos arm + Benz MC Gold cart on a layered rosewood plinth . . .

          :-)

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          • #65
            Linn LP12. Keel, Ekos SE, Dynavector 20X2Low. I have not "done" digital since I had this arm and cartridge installed.

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            • #66
              Now, that does look interesting.
              Originally posted by muypogi View Post
              Just arrived to complete my system based on the Compact 7. . .



              Lenco L75 S16 with original Acos arm + Benz MC Gold cart on a layered rosewood plinth . . .

              :-)

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              • #67
                That's what I thought, since much butchering often needs to be done to get a non Lenco arm to properly fit - and work with the original cueing device. I believe there was an L76 model in Europe, but I didn't think the (Japanese sourced?) arm was quite like this one at the bearing end.

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                • #68
                  I'm curious why anyone would select an arm other than an SME as the engineering standard of everything SME produce is simply exquisite. They have no equal (I dare suggest) in audio engineering precision. Their factory is about 20mins drive from Harbeth. If you have a chance to look around be prepared to be totally astounded at their attention to detail.
                  Alan A. Shaw
                  Designer, owner
                  Harbeth Audio UK

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                  • #69
                    Just go for SME arms

                    Originally posted by A.S. View Post
                    I'm curious why anyone would select an arm other than an SME as the engineering standard of everything SME produce is simply exquisite. They have no equal (I dare suggest) in audio engineering precision. Their factory is about 20mins drive from Harbeth. If you have a chance to look around be prepared to be totally astounded at their attention to detail.
                    Agreed. My SME V is just unbeatable and will out-live me I'm sure (and I'm 32!). Even the old SME 3009 arms are still just about as good as anyone really needs.

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                    • #70
                      Originally posted by DSRANCE View Post
                      That's what I thought, since much butchering often needs to be done to get a non Lenco arm to properly fit - and work with the original cueing device. I believe there was an L76 model in Europe, but I didn't think the (Japanese sourced?) arm was quite like this one at the bearing end.
                      Actually, the arm is the one that came with the table, everything was all original. I got the table from a guy in Spain and it was virtually in mint condition. All my Lenco specialist had to do was make the plinth, convert it to 60hz, add some missing parts and we were done! The original straight Lenco arm from the older generation L75 tables was replaced by owners as you could only put in lower-end carts. Bought this variant as it already had the S-arm which could accommodate better carts without modification. . . saves me money too.

                      Sounds glorious on my Luxman L-550 and my Compact 7. . . have not listened to my digital front end since I got it (Last Thursday!).

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                      • #71
                        Originally posted by A.S. View Post
                        I'm curious why anyone would select an arm other than an SME as the engineering standard of everything SME produce is simply exquisite. They have no equal (I dare suggest) in audio engineering precision. Their factory is about 20mins drive from Harbeth. If you have a chance to look around be prepared to be totally astounded at their attention to detail.
                        Money. I'd have to sell my car and home to afford one. So a Rega it is for me.

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                        • #72
                          Originally posted by A.S. View Post
                          I'm curious why anyone would select an arm other than an SME as the engineering standard of everything SME produce is simply exquisite. They have no equal (I dare suggest) in audio engineering precision.
                          I would imagine that an SME arm is not universally the best match to all turntables. For example, one does not see many Linn LP12's with an SME mounted on them - especially not the V. I find that the Naim Aro does work well on the LP12, though.



                          Br,
                          Teme

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                          • #73
                            Originally posted by A.S. View Post
                            I'm curious why anyone would select an arm other than an SME as the engineering standard of everything SME produce is simply exquisite. They have no equal (I dare suggest) in audio engineering precision. Their factory is about 20mins drive from Harbeth. If you have a chance to look around be prepared to be totally astounded at their attention to detail.
                            Possibly, but not everybody has SME money! :-) Need to sell the car to get a hold of SME . . .

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                            • #74
                              SME on Ebay

                              Originally posted by muypogi View Post
                              Possibly, but not everybody has SME money! :-) Need to sell the car to get a hold of SME . . .
                              Really? What's wrong with this example of a 3009 S2 (late version) on Ebay?

                              Here.

                              What more do you need? I have two or three of these.

                              One comment to add. I read about the shape of the tone arm and the minimisation of grove tracing distortion at the very beginning of my audio career (in my teens). The J shape arm, like the SME3009/12 made sense to me as the best compromise, according to the graphs I read at the time. Then - shock, horror - even SME abandoned the very concept of the J shape arm. Now, either their initial justification was untrue or they misrepresented the facts (which I don't believe) or fashion got the better of them. Whatever the truth, I simply would not buy a straight arm which (as far as my recollection goes) challenges the very arguments that dismissed straight arms in the 60s i.e. more distortion from the straight arm.

                              I wonder what the technical truth really is concerning arm geometry.
                              Alan A. Shaw
                              Designer, owner
                              Harbeth Audio UK

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                              • #75
                                The arm is a stretch, but doable . . but is already almost the cost of the entire Lenco table . . . :-)

                                Oh, and I was referring to a new SME table, not just the arm though. If I intend to sell the car, might as well get the whole shebang, don't you think?

                                Anyways, am perfectly happy with the Lenco + Luxman L-550 + Compact 7 combo. Possibly the most musical setup I've assembled to date. . .

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