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INTRODUCTION- PLEASE READ FIRST TO UNDERSTAND THIS FORUM!

"This Harbeth User Group (HUG) is the Manufacturer's own managed forum dedicated to natural sound, realisable by controlling the confounding variables between tthe microphone and the listeners' ears.

For example, the design of and interaction between the hifi amplifier and its speaker load can and potentially will alter the sound balance of what you hear. To reproduce the sounds captured by the recording microphones, as Harbeth speakers are designed to do, you would naturally select system components (sources, electronics, cables and so on) that do not color the sound before it reaches the speakers.

Identifying components for their system neutrality should, logically, start with the interpretation and analysis of their technical, objective performance, as any and every deviation from a measurably flat frequency response at any point along the serial chain from microphone to ear is very likely to cause the total system to have an audible sonic personality. That includes the contribution of the listening room itself.

HUG specialises in making complex technical matters simple to understand, aiding the identification of audio components likely to maintain a faithful relationship between the recorded sound and the sound you hear. With our heritage of natural sound, HUG cannot be really be expected to guide in the selection, approval, endorsement or even discussion of equipment that is intend to introduce a significantly personalised sound to the audio signal chain. For that you should do your own research and above all, make the effort to visit an Authorised Dealer and listen to your music at your loudness on your loudspeakers through the various electronics offered there. There is no on-line substitute for that time investment in a dealer's showroom.

If you desire to intentionally tune your system sound to your personal taste, please consider carefully how much you should rely upon the subjective opinions of strangers. Their hearing acuity and taste will be different to yours, as will be their motives and budget, their listening distance, listening loudness and listening room treatment, not necessarily leading to appropriate equipment selection and listening satisfaction for you.

Alternatively, if faithfully reproducing the sound intended by the composer, score, conductor and musicians over your speakers is your audio dream, then understanding something of the issues likely to fulfill that objective is what this forum has been helping with since 2006. Welcome!"


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  • #16
    Audioquest Bedrock with my Compact 7 ES3's. I'm thinking of trying Kimber 8.

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    • #17
      As Honman states above, there's likely more going on between the amplifier and speaker cable than with the speaker and the cable. As such, I use Quicksilver speaker cables to interface with my Quicksilver amplifiers. Mike Sanders, the designer/engineer at Quicksilver is, much like Alan Shaw, a no BS kind of guy who designed the cables to interface nicely with his amplifiers. They're cheap and they sound good. Period.

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      • #18
        I am using more than 10yrs old MIT Terminator2 single wire (bought it used) for both c7 and shl5 and sound great.
        "Bath with Music"

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        • #19
          I read Kimber name in this thread..I think this link is useful.

          http://sites.google.com/site/isthist...ff/kimberkable
          "Bath with Music"

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          • #20
            Thank you very much for this information. Buying from a reputable dealer is your best protection.

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            • #21
              Originally posted by keithwwk View Post
              I read Kimber name in this thread..I think this link is useful.

              http://sites.google.com/site/isthist...ff/kimberkable
              Yes, it is very useful info. Fakes' "industry" has gone too far... Drdennis is quite right!

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              • #22
                Wow, this is indeed an eye opener! I wonder how many other well known brands are victims of fraudulent fakes! I know that Oyaide also has counterfeits! It is scary how closely the fakes resemble the real McCoys and unless you knew the tell-tale signs, it would well nigh be quite impossible to distinguish one form the other!

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                • #23
                  Don't they all sound the same anywayhttp://www.harbeth.co.uk/usergroup/images/icons/icon11.png

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                  • #24
                    Harbeth 7ES-3 with QED Cable

                    I am English, from Coventry originally, now living in US - I have just purchased my first pair of Harbeth Speakers (7ES-3). I think I have narrowed speakers down to QED! I would love an opinion on a couple of choices:

                    QED Silver Anniversary, QED Revelation or basic QED 79 Strand Classic?
                    The will be connected to a Leben 300XS or maybe my Nain XS sometimes!


                    Thanks,

                    DF

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                    • #25
                      Speaker cable? Listen to Alan's advice

                      Congratulations on your C7s. I used to have a Leben CS300XS too. Must be a great combination. You ask about QED speaker cable, have you looked through the HUG for advice? Alan Shaw's opinion is stated often around the site. Here is a quote from him regarding cable for Harbeths...

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                      6. Harbeth speakers do not need fancy cable. Anything available that is reasonably thick will work OK. QED 79 strand (see attached picture) or 5A electrical flex will get you going. Simple, un-cool standard flex is all you need. Avoid exotic cables with strange electrical characteristics.
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                      From my own careful reading of Alan's postings, I can gather that he (as the designer) does not consider any improvements to be possible from fancy cables. If they could improve the sound he would know and say so, wouldn't he?

                      I use Kimber 4PR and that is likely my final cable, I won't spend money on the stuff anymore so I'm sticking with what I've got for the long haul. Your Leben amp and Harbeth C7s, not to mention your room, will have such a disproportionate effect on the sound you achieve that a bit of speaker wire of decent thickness will not rock the boat to any discernable degree.

                      Go with the QED 79 strand and I'm sure you'll be fine.

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                      • #26
                        Not expensive ...

                        Thanks GregD - all three of them are not expensive, probably $100 different's between them all! I just thought that if it was better coated to protect the copper and maybe prevent it from deteriorating, and not because I think it would sound better! but I think you are probably correct, and so is Alan...

                        Thanks - DF

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                        • #27
                          Just to let you know, I went with Atlas Hyper 2 Speaker cables - prety inexpensive, about $200 for 3m terminated; I will let you know how they are...

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by Davef View Post
                            Just to let you know, I went with Atlas Hyper 2 Speaker cables - prety inexpensive, about $200 for 3m terminated; I will let you know how they are...
                            Sounds like a good solidly-made cable Davef, are they using spades or plugs? I prefer plugs - easier to remove if necessary.

                            PS. I've just bought a Leben pre/power. It's really nice stuff isn't it?

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                            • #29
                              Hi - it is using plugs, prefer them myself also! They are terrific, and I enjoy mine very much, I also enjoy my Naim XS, but the Leben are special, and very well made... The Pre/Power must sound fantastic?

                              DF

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                              • #30
                                Taking delivery of the Leben CS660P poweramp tomorrow

                                Well, I used to have a CS300XS and it was indeed very listenable and enjoyable. Frank Sinatra and other vocalists and jazz groups from the 50s and 60s on Capitol sounded the best ever through that amplifier and my old ProAcs (now using LS3/5a)

                                The Leben poweramp is going to be even better I hope, I've ordered a new Leben RS28CX but they have to build it in Japan first! Very exciting, after that I'm probably going to get the P3ESR, or maybe the C7 (like you) if they will work in my very small room (3.4m by 2.8m).

                                However, the P3 has just been mentioned in the Newsletter winning the Stereo Sound Japan Grand Prix Award and I'm so impressed and pleased that I think it just has to be the P3ESR for me now. As I say, I've had LS3/5a and small ProAcs for years, so I know what to expect (generally) from a mini-monitor.

                                You must be getting great music with those amplifiers and the C7, Great choices all round!

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