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  • #16
    Re: what CDP are you using?

    I don't want to send a thread about loudspeakers off track, but I feel that I can trust people who like Harbeths with advice about other equipment.

    First, I'm currently using a Quad CD- 2for CDs with an Oppo 980 for video and the very few SACDs I have. The Oppo playing SACDs doesn't seem to me to be much better than the same discs on CD through the Quad. (I prefer vinyl, but that's another story).

    I need to rationalize my equipment and was wondering whether the Oppo with one of the current inexpensive DACs ({-}Dac, Cambridge Audio DAC-Magic, or the Beresford Caiman) would be acceptable. I have a very tight budget.

    Thanks,

    David

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    • #17
      Re: what CDP are you using?

      David

      I have a Quad 77 CD Player I have not used in quite a while.

      My CDs have been ripped to FLAC and I stream via a Squeezebox.

      I use a Beresford Caiman to receive S/PDIF from the Squeezebox, the TV and Sat or Cable TV Box. The Caiman connects via USB to my Windows 7 Laptop, if I want do do it that way.

      The Caiman is in a different class to the ageing Quad 77 player. The Oppo will be limited by it's internal DAC, as is the Quad CDP.

      My Quad 77 FM Tuner is also silent - I stream hibit internet radio through the Squeezebox or from Free-view.

      I no longer have need for any analogue input - no LPs and no Tapes. Not for many years, so the Caiman is my "Preamp" driving a refurbished Quad 405-2 directly.

      I have other plans for my Quad 77 Integrated Amp, but I will sell the CDP and Tuner.

      You have missed a very competent DAC is the same price bracket as the Caiman

      http://www.tcelectronic.com/bmc-2.asp

      http://www.gear4music.com/Recording-...Controller/BAB

      There is much discussion on the Caiman here: http://theartofsound.net/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=3

      Search for keywords on the forum.

      Ask more if you choose.

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      • #18
        Re: what CDP are you using?

        PS Audio Perfect Wave Transport with a Bel Canto DAC3 using the Virtual Battery Supply VBS1.
        The transport can not only play CDs but also hi-res music data discs (up to 24/192 PCM)

        David

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        • #19
          Re: what CDP are you using?

          I'm using and enjoying very much the McIntosh MCD-500 SACD/CD player...but the newest Luxman players have my attention and I may be moving on.

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          • #20
            Re: what CDP are you using?

            I'm just warming up a Luxman D-06 with my 1 week old amp. In combination with a C7ES-3 I am happy!

            My ex-CD player is a {-} CD and is in perfect working condition. Another item I can happily handover to my nephew. He's in training to become another music lover. He already has composed a tune all on his own and is constantly playing in my head.
            Last edited by A.S.; 23-09-2012, 09:33 AM. Reason: Additional info and bad English

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            • #21
              Originally posted by do_Ob View Post
              My ex-CD player is a {-} CD and is in perfect working condition. Another item I can happily handover to my nephew. He's in training to become another music lover. He already has composed a tune all on his own and is constantly playing in my head.
              Yes," Harbeth lover" in the making. My son is now learning to play acoustic guitar. Now, he has 2 of them. He said, dad please don't sell the SHL5. I will buy it from you when I'm already working. He is now only 18 yrs young and still schooling.

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              • #22
                I have Sugden CDMaster. This will be replaced with the Naim CD5X within the next few days.

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                • #23
                  I am using my SHL5 with Meridian G08.2 ,,,,,

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                  • #24
                    I use a Marantz CD16 (the other components are Dynaco Pas3x and Dynaco ST70 II) with my compact 7 ES2. The sound (for me) seems analog with many details.
                    Luca.

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                    • #25
                      EERA DL1, very happy with it. Compared it with the Naim CDX2 before buying and even with the external PS of Naim i preferred the DL1 and bought it

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by Yakamozan View Post
                        EERA DL1, very happy with it. Compared it with the Naim CDX2 before buying and even with the external PS of Naim i preferred the DL1 and bought it
                        Hi Yamakozan, may I know if you have owned Naim amps before since you have the CDX2? Do you still have the CDX2? Reason of asking is I am looking at this player. Naim CD players need to match Naim amps to have the full Naim effect.

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by ryder View Post
                          Hi Yamakozan, may I know if you have owned Naim amps before since you have the CDX2? Do you still have the CDX2? Reason of asking is I am looking at this player. Naim CD players need to match Naim amps to have the full Naim effect.
                          Hi Ryder,

                          I respectfully disagree with your above statement. Sold my Naim amp and now using Exposure with Naim CDS2.

                          Best regards

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                          • #28
                            Hi Sunshine,

                            If you hadn't noticed, I didn't say Naim CD players don't sound good with other amps. May I ask which model of Naim amp that has been replaced with the Exposure, and which Exposure are you using right now?

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                            • #29
                              Am running a Marantz SA-11S2 in my system with Blue Circle pre/power and Harbeth Monitor 30's.

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                              • #30
                                I am using a PrimaLuna Prologue 8 tube CD player with the upgraded chip. I'm very happy with it.

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