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"This Harbeth User Group (HUG) is the Manufacturer's own managed forum dedicated to natural sound, realisable by controlling the confounding variables between tthe microphone and the listeners' ears.

For example, the design of and interaction between the hifi amplifier and its speaker load can and potentially will alter the sound balance of what you hear. To reproduce the sounds captured by the recording microphones, as Harbeth speakers are designed to do, you would naturally select system components (sources, electronics, cables and so on) that do not color the sound before it reaches the speakers.

Identifying components for their system neutrality should, logically, start with the interpretation and analysis of their technical, objective performance, as any and every deviation from a measurably flat frequency response at any point along the serial chain from microphone to ear is very likely to cause the total system to have an audible sonic personality. That includes the contribution of the listening room itself.

HUG specialises in making complex technical matters simple to understand, aiding the identification of audio components likely to maintain a faithful relationship between the recorded sound and the sound you hear. With our heritage of natural sound, HUG cannot be really be expected to guide in the selection, approval, endorsement or even discussion of equipment that is intend to introduce a significantly personalised sound to the audio signal chain. For that you should do your own research and above all, make the effort to visit an Authorised Dealer and listen to your music at your loudness on your loudspeakers through the various electronics offered there. There is no on-line substitute for that time investment in a dealer's showroom.

If you desire to intentionally tune your system sound to your personal taste, please consider carefully how much you should rely upon the subjective opinions of strangers. Their hearing acuity and taste will be different to yours, as will be their motives and budget, their listening distance, listening loudness and listening room treatment, not necessarily leading to appropriate equipment selection and listening satisfaction for you.

Alternatively, if faithfully reproducing the sound intended by the composer, score, conductor and musicians over your speakers is your audio dream, then understanding something of the issues likely to fulfill that objective is what this forum has been helping with since 2006. Welcome!"


Jan. 2018
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  • #16
    There's also the option of a cheaper Macbook air with solid state drive? Or possibly run from an external USB drive in another room? They're also nice machines. I'm writing this from a 17" Macbook Pro and can recommend them for general use...

    Although for hi-fi I'd still recommend the CD player route!

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    • #17
      Originally posted by garmtz View Post
      Stream your music using a Linn Majik DS, it's better than CD-players costing several times more!
      Repeating myself... ;) Try it! The Linn is a great match with Leben and Harbeth, as I have listened to this combination the last few days. You also might track down a Linn Majik CD, a great CD player!

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      • #18
        Originally posted by garmtz View Post
        Repeating myself... ;) Try it! The Linn is a great match with Leben and Harbeth, as I have listened to this combination the last few days. You also might track down a Linn Majik CD, a great CD player!
        Let's all bare in mind that garmtz makes his living from selling people Linn equipment!

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        • #19
          Originally posted by macraddy View Post
          Let's all bare in mind that garmtz makes his living from selling people Linn equipment!
          I'm sure that was meant light-heartedly, but I'll point out that Alan Shaw makes his living from selling people Harbeth speakers, and I think we would all give his words a fair bit of weight.

          The fact that you have a personal interest in something doesn't necessarily make what you say untrue.

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          • #20
            See if you can audition Opera Consonance CD 120. Its a filter less non-oversampling cdp without an opamp. This might fit your need for a cdp with vinyl like presentation.

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            • #21
              Originally posted by EricW View Post
              I'm sure that was meant light-heartedly, but I'll point out that Alan Shaw makes his living from selling people Harbeth speakers, and I think we would all give his words a fair bit of weight.

              The fact that you have a personal interest in something doesn't necessarily make what you say untrue.
              ...Or unbias?

              harbeth related ones excepted :-)

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              • #22
                Kittykat: "untrue" and "unbiased" are two completely different things. I expect that Alan Shaw (for example) has a degree of bias in favour of Harbeths. To be expected. The ultimate question, of course, is whether he's right to hold that bias.

                Bias, if it exists, exists prior to judgment and hence can influence judgment, but doesn't inevitably do so. Particularly in a competitive market, a degree of bias has to co-exist with a degree of objectivity, because if you're out of touch with reality, your competitors will eat you up.

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                • #23
                  Hi EricW. Totally agree with you and I didn’t say they are similar.

                  Having vested interests does make certain predispositions in opinion more likely, not necessarily to the extent of telling fibs. It could be just a simple blurring of distinction between fact and fiction. The former could be “I am impartial and I did listen reasonably extensively across different candidates and am comfortable to make this recommendation” to a latter extreme of “I think this is a good cd player and as such ill recommend it” or even more extreme case of “im a distributor for this brand and as such ill recommend it on this forum”.

                  And you are right, if a bias is out of line it will result in eventual annihilation but it would have caused damage to a lot of people’s pockets in the interim.

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                  • #24
                    Hi kittykat: you'll get no argument from me, because I entirely agree with you as well.

                    I must admit, I initially thought that perhaps macraddy had taken a bit more of a shot at garmtz than warranted, hence my first response.

                    But perhaps to repeatedly recommend a product that you have a personal (business) interest in promoting (though pretty indirect in garmtz's case, I would have thought), without disclosing that interest, is not the right thing to do. It may be done innocently, but if so, why not disclose. It would avoid misunderstanding.

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by EricW View Post
                      I'm sure that was meant light-heartedly, but I'll point out that Alan Shaw makes his living from selling people Harbeth speakers, and I think we would all give his words a fair bit of weight.

                      The fact that you have a personal interest in something doesn't necessarily make what you say untrue.
                      Absolutely true - but Alan Shaw wouldn't make unscientific statements that cannot be substantiated by using absolutes such ‘better’, especially when being concerned with the subjective nature of music reproduction...
                      (And my tongue is firmly in my cheek! I personally know hi-fi dealers who operate this way and some customers do respond to it.)

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                      • #26
                        My recommendations really are not intended to be commercial, as I live in The Netherlands and have no way of selling you Linn equipment. It is just out of me having tried a lot of equipment on Harbeth speakers and sharing this with the community. Admittedly, I have not tried EVERYTHING on the market, but I think neither have most consumers.

                        I will refrain from making recommendations then from now on.

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                        • #27
                          Hi Garmtz, I've enjoyed reading your recommendations.Please continue.I'm sure your intentions were honorable.

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                          • #28
                            garmtz, I would echo Drew. I think recommendations from people who have personal experience with various equipment are always valuable and helpful. Unfortunately, we live in a cynical world. Maybe, to counter that, just add a brief sentence noting that you are a Linn (or whatever) dealer. Then everyone can decide for him- or herself how many grains of salt to add, but we don't all lose the benefit of your insight.

                            After all, even if someone is only the purchaser/owner of a piece of equipment, he/she could be said to be "biased" in favour of it by that fact alone, because who wants to admit they made a bad choice? So where are we going to find a panel of neutral, objective, well-informed judges who have absolutely no bias, and no personal interest in what they're writing about? Seems like an unrealistic plan to me.

                            And macraddy, actually, if you were to parse Alan's language strictly, you might find some of his language to be "unscientific" as well. Words such as "warm", "full", "rich", "uncoloured" etc. are not scientific in and of themselves. I don't think you can describe human experiences - which is ultimately what we're concerned with - in purely scientific terms (whatever those might be), even if you can maybe find scientific correlates for those experiences.

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                            • #29
                              Fair enough EricW, thanks! DrewTuner, Cheers!

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