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Since its inception ten years ago, the Harbeth User Group's ambition has been to create a lasting knowledge archive. Knowledge is based on facts and observations. Knowledge is timeless. Knowledge is human independent and replicatable. However, we live in new world where thanks to social media, 'facts' have become flexible and personal. HUG operates in that real world.

HUG has two approaches to contributor's Posts. If you have, like us, a scientific mind and are curious about how the ear works, how it can lead us to make the right - and wrong - decisions, and about the technical ins and outs of audio equipment, how it's designed and what choices the designer makes, then the factual area of HUG is for you. The objective methods of comparing audio equipment under controlled conditions has been thoroughly examined here on HUG and elsewhere and can be easily understood and tried with negligible technical knowledge.

Alternatively, if you just like chatting about audio and subjectivity rules for you, then the Subjective Soundings sub-forum is you. If upon examination we think that Posts are better suited to one sub-forum than than the other, they will be redirected during Moderation, which is applied throughout the site.

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The Moderators' decision is final in all matters regarding what appears here. That said, very few Posts are rejected. HUG Moderation individually spell and layout checks Posts for clarity but due to the workload, Posts in the Subjective Soundings area, from Oct. 2016 will not be. We regret that but we are unable to accept Posts that present what we consider to be free advertising for products that Harbeth does not make.

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Cost saving digital system - put the money in the Harbeth

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  • Cost saving digital system - put the money in the Harbeth

    Digital electronics is very cheap these days.

    The big name HiFi manufacturers are coming up with custom solutions to streaming audio, but with a little research you can match their products and beat their prices. That leaves you more cash to spend where it matters - in the speaker. Using a streamer like the Apple Airport Express (80) with iTunes

    http://www.apple.com/airportexpress/ or a Squeezebox Classic (170) with its own software



    http://www.logitechsqueezebox.com/pr...x-classic.html

    you can get a bitperfect stream to the DAC of your choice.

    With the Airport Express, unless you control from your Apple or PC, you will need a remote control - An iPhone will do it, and you may have one. The Squeezebox costs more, but comes with a remote and will replace your FM Tuner giving you access to high quality internet radio streams from all over the world. The Radio 3 stream on my Squeezebox (with my DAC) is better than my Quad 77 FM Tuner. So, bitperfect from a streamer by S/PDIF (Optical or phono lead) into a DAC.

    Here are some suggestions

    Cambridge DACmagic 230 http://www.cambridgeaudio.com/set_te...ry.php?PID=320

    Beresford 7520 ( 140+VAT) or Beresford Caiman (200+VAT)

    http://www.homehifi.co.uk/main/main.html

    TC-BMC2 (200)

    http://www.tcelectronic.com/bmc-2.asp

    The Beresfords have four switchable inputs, a fixed line out and a variable line out controlled by an analogue volume control. Good 'phones amp. Will serve as "Pre-amp"

    The TC BMC-2 has 3 (?) switchable inputs, nice volume control and a good 'phones amp. Balanced outputs. Will serve as "Pre-amp"

    The other two have more limited facilities.

    I use a Beresford Caiman for its sound, its flexibility and because it looks the part in the lounge.

    So for about 200 you can get an extremely competent DAC and, provided you need no analogue inputs, a Pre-amp as well. Add the cost of your chosen streaming system - under 400 plus any old computer in the house, which you can still use for other things. That leaves a lot of extra cash for amp and speakers. Spend more if you like, but you will be paying for over engineered products that will sound very little better, if at all.

    Put the money in the Harbeth!

    Well, that's what I think.
    Last edited by HUG-1; 28-02-2010, 07:38 PM. Reason: Removed brand
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