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My ears Problem with PlayStation3 and Rega Apollo

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  • My ears Problem with PlayStation3 and Rega Apollo

    So i just bought a Rega Apollo to replace my PS3. I remembered the first time i opened the boxes of my SHL5 and the Rogue Cronus Magmun.( int.Amp). I used the PS3 as the source. My wife told me wow it's quiet..! There was no noise compaired to my Yamaha ht.

    I told her what i needed was a better CDP than this PS3... because it will be more quiet and more musical. Today i plugged the Rega Apollo in. And i noticed i have to crank up the volume of my Amp. to have to same soundstage as the PS3. Yes the Apollo sound more musical a bit. But my wife face look like PS3 sound better. She told why to spend money for something that not better than a PS3. I searched over the WEB , and ppl said that PS3 is a bit noisy. So i ran and borrowed my sister PS3 80 gig , PLus my friend PS3 Slim 120 gig, and mine 160 gig.

    I don't know why but my PS3 has no noise compared to the 2 others PS3. I will test more tomorrow. maybe in the morning my ears will tell me more.

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    What is a "PS3"? Who makes it?

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    • #3
      PS3 = PLaystation 3

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      • #4
        To answer the question, Sony make the PS3 games console. It will play CDs, DVDs and Bluray discs. With limitations it will stream audio from the home network, from BBC iPlayer and from other internet radio stations.

        The internal DAC is no more than OK - an good quality external DAC will improve it's audio playback a good deal.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Tran Khoa View Post
          PS3 = PLaystation 3
          It looks that a lot of people use this as their cd player. Even a well known hifi magazine had made a review of the the Playstation and they were quite impress by it. Some say a good "bang for the buck".

          Sebastien

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          • #6
            And many think highly of the multi format disc players by Oppo.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Labarum View Post
              And many think highly of the multi format disc players by Oppo.
              I'm one of those many. The Oppo bluray player BDP-83 plays bluray, standard dvd, sacd, cd.

              Bruce

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Euler View Post
                I'm one of those many. The Oppo bluray player BDP-83 plays bluray, standard dvd, sacd, cd.

                Bruce
                Do you use the internal DAC or another?

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                • #9
                  Oppo SE - importance of equalising the loudness ....

                  The Oppo BDP-83 "Special Edition" uses an ESS Sabre DAC and is supposed to be exceptionally good sonically, according to the online reviews. However, you only get the benefit of the DAC using the analog outputs, so it's really a player that should appeal more to two-channel listeners (for surround using HDMI, the standard BDP-83 is less money). If you do a bit of searching, you'll see that the SE gets fairly rave reviews, and seems even more attractive when you consider the multi-format capability and the not unreasonable price. I've been considering one myself.

                  As for Tran Khoa's issue, it's hard for me to believe that the Rega Apollo is inferior sonically to a Sony Playstation. It sounds to me as though it may simply have a lower output (he says "I have to crank up the volume of my amp to have the same soundstage" but then says when he does so the Rega is a "bit more musical"). I guess another example of why it's so important to equalize levels before you can hope to make any kind of accurate comparison between two products.

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                  • #10
                    yes i listened again today. i think, because of the long ride yesterday i was tire, so my ears get me wrong. Yes the PS3 is lounder but i dont feel the music throught it . the Rega is very good and precise. I can hear all the instruements separated. But i guess i need something better. 1. Bryston Dac, or BCD-1. or start to build LP. ... I'm still scratching my head. because PS3 cost 300$ with a nice blue-ray, play games, upconverting your DVD. Put your pictures, etc., A Rega Apollo, is only a CDP with a better DAC, cost 1000$...
                    I think everyone in here, the most expensive things in your house is your HI-FI system. Even a Piano cost less.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Tran Khoa View Post
                      Even a Piano cost less.
                      Yes, was chatting over the weekend and its true. Hifi is perceived (and priced) like a luxury item compared to home theatre (including lcd/ plasma tv’s) which is seen as a commodity. The technology in a lcd tv seems to be much more complex than a cd player or an amplifier. Or for a more level comparison, a blue ray player against a “hifi” cd player which costs 2x more etc. Pricing is so arbitrary and we all get taken in by it.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by kittykat View Post
                        Hifi is perceived (and priced) like a luxury item compared to home theatre (including lcd/ plasma tv’s) which is seen as a commodity.
                        True.

                        Avoid the HiFi rip off.

                        A decent AV amp in direct mode (all signal processing switched off) will do an extremely good job of driving a pair of passive speakers.

                        Feed it from any computer you like, from a multi-format disc spinner, from a PS3, or from a streamer like a Squeezebox. If you still want to play LPs there are some very good phono amps you can hand off the back of the AV amp.

                        http://www.musicalfidelity.com/produ...-LPS/V-LPS.asp

                        The domestic loudspeaker is the only remaining area where the trad HiFi manufacturer has a worthwhile product when compared to what is available for far less from the computer shop or the pro-music shop.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Tran Khoa View Post
                          But i guess i need something better.
                          Think what you have will work perfectly, You already have a strong foundation in a setup ie. SHL5. They are very hard to improve on. Whatever more $$$ you put into your setup will result imo only very small differences, and imo not worth it. Ill be very happy with your system as it is. The more you listen to it, the more you'll appreciate it and not bother about it anymore.

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                          • #14
                            Tran:

                            I agree that the Rega Apollo is a very fine player. You might discern an improvement by upgrading, you might not. But don't make a decision based on reviews or what you read on the Internet (even here!). And remember, "different" does not necessarily equal "better".

                            But if you can't shake the upgrade urge, why don't you go into the dealer where you purchased your Apollo and ask if you can compare it to a Rega Saturn. You should be able to plug the two of them into the same amp and compare side by side relatively easily. If you can hear a difference, and it's worth it to you, well, it's your money. If not, then you can rest easy knowing that the Apollo is giving you what you need, and further improvements are not required.

                            Either way, however, don't lose your peace of mind over it. Music should be a source of enjoyment, not a source of anxiety.

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                            • #15
                              The Saturn is significantly better than the Apollo which, in turn, is a lot better than the PS3 which is flat and uninvolving.

                              Another option for the Apollo owner is the up-coming Rega DAC. This should be with us in October at a projected price of 500.

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