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  • The Solid Steel stands and racks have been imported off and on - we did them for a while but they were ferociously expensive. We sold a few racks but the speaker stands weren't popular because of the styling - 'theodolites' was the usual quip. I don't believe there is an importer just now.

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    • Thanks for the info everyone... mmm... maybe I need to reconsider those Something Solid stands! Alternative would be to go down the custom route which is obviously more pricey.

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      • Originally posted by tozen View Post
        maybe I need to reconsider those Something Solid stands!
        It'd still be interesting to see some pictures of a pair of "properly" finished Something Solid stands...

        I love my Music Tools stands (www.musictools.eu) and they sound good to me (they were purpose built/designed for the LS3/5a so I guess this is no surprise).

        One manufacturer that I've seen nice quality finish from is Custom Design (www.customdesign.co.uk), which I believe are based in the UK. The do both high mass as well as open frame stands (plus custom stands to order!).

        Br,
        Teme

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        • Originally posted by tozen View Post
          Thanks for the info everyone... mmm... maybe I need to reconsider those Something Solid stands! Alternative would be to go down the custom route which is obviously more pricey.
          Pricey and you have no idea what they will sound like until they are made.

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          • Sound Anchor Harbeth stands

            I had previously posted that I had Foundation Speaker stands. Well after the left Harbeth tipped over (luckily all is fine, thank heavens) I decided to spend the money on really good stands. The Foundation stands really were flimsy, and considering I spent around $4,000 US on the Compact 7-ES3's (about 2 months pay) I decided to save up the money and purchase better ones. They weigh around 140 pounds between the both of them, and are pre-filled with proprietary filling, sealed and have done well so far. I did spend around $800 US on the stands from US based company (Made in the US State of Florida) which makes custom Harbeth Stands called Sound Anchor http://www.soundanchors.com/.

            I live in New York, USA so I don't know about the overseas distribution. I'm sure you could arrange something if there's no dealer in your area.
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            • These Sound Anchor stands do look very heavy, which is not always a good thing with the Harbeth speakers IMO. I ordered a custom stand, made by Custom Design and they are extremely stiff, but quite light. They feature a paint that reduces ringing. I spikes them directly into a solid wooden floor.

              @hifi_dave: can you tell me how Something Solid couples the speakers to the stands?

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              • Originally posted by bullethead View Post
                I had previously posted that I had Foundation Speaker stands. Well after the left Harbeth tipped over (luckily all is fine, thank heavens) I decided to spend the money on really good stands. The Foundation stands really were flimsy, and considering I spent around $4,000 US on the Compact 7-ES3's (about 2 months pay) I decided to save up the money and purchase better ones. They weigh around 140 pounds between the both of them, and are pre-filled with proprietary filling, sealed and have done well so far. I did spend around $800 US on the stands from US based company (Made in the US State of Florida) which makes custom Harbeth Stands called Sound Anchor http://www.soundanchors.com/.

                I live in New York, USA so I don't know about the overseas distribution. I'm sure you could arrange something if there's no dealer in your area.
                I have been thinking about swapping out my Foundation stands for my Monitor 30's for the custom one that SoundAnchor makes for it as well. Something about the Foundation stand just gives me the "nerves".. While I know that light and rigid are supposed to "rule the day" with Harbeths in general, the Foundation stands just seem perhaps tooo far the other way.
                Do you have any thoughts about the difference in sonics after you swapped from the Foundations to the Sound Anchors ? that would be very helpful. As you pointed out, while they are "bullet proof" they aren't exactly beer and pretzels money.

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                • sound

                  Originally posted by Double D View Post
                  I have been thinking about swapping out my Foundation stands for my Monitor 30's for the custom one that SoundAnchor makes for it as well. Something about the Foundation stand just gives me the "nerves".. While I know that light and rigid are supposed to "rule the day" with Harbeths in general, the Foundation stands just seem perhaps tooo far the other way.
                  Do you have any thoughts about the difference in sonics after you swapped from the Foundations to the Sound Anchors ? that would be very helpful. As you pointed out, while they are "bullet proof" they aren't exactly beer and pretzels money.
                  Yes, watch out with the light thin stands. Indeed the Sound Anchors are not beer and pretzels money, however the sound difference is quite noticeable. I noticed now with the Sound Anchors lack of boomy bass (The Foundations would basically transmit the bass down into the floor causing boom). This has been reduced substantially with the introduction of the Sound Anchors into the system. It's dead quiet, I only hear the speaker, instead of the stand vibrating. Because of this the midrange is even more forward and silky. Highs are much more revealed, while bass is tight and quick. With the other stands the sound was basically unnatural and distorted due to the coloration caused by vibration.

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                  • Sound and Bullethead,

                    I'm a dealer for all Sound Anchor, Foundation, and Skylan in the U.S. I have had success with all three stands and try to allow the customer to choose based on his preferences.

                    The Foundation stand is designed to follow the open top and European style. It can be damped by putting material in the holes where the feet are threaded. I have not done this so my comments are based on an undamped stand. I find the sound of the Foundation to be very open with lots of detail and quite engaging. At the same time I do not notice a lack of bass. I never thought of the possibility of your speakers getting knocked over, but I'm sure it is possible.

                    The Sound Anchor is a very heavy stand with an open top as well. It is designed for the person who wants to place his speakers and forget about tweaking as this is not possible. They are do not ring due to the built in damping. Some customers feel the weight of the stand (and the use of damping material) over-damps the speaker. I have not noticed this in my room but it definitely sounds different than the Foundation stands. One customer returned his Sound Anchor's claiming, "It sucked the life out of his Harbeth's". Still it is a very nice stand. Both the Sound Anchor and Foundation stands come assembled and ready to use as soon as you open the box and attach the feet.

                    Many customers like Skylan. While you need to assemble Skylan stands yourself it takes a total of less than 30 minutes and is kind of fun. It also allows you to adjust the amount of damping to your room and personal tastes. Adding damping also increases the stability of the speaker. This stand does not have an open top. Some people hesitate to purchase Skylan stands since Harbeth speakers "breath" and they feel the flat top may have a negative effect on this. I have not noticed any drawback due to the top. One of the nice things about Skylan is that Noel (the designer and manufacturer) comes at no extra charge. He spends a lot of time helping his customers. This is not to say the other manufacturers don't care about their customers; I just noticed that Noel works at helping and being available with ideas before and after the purchase.

                    So, there you have it. Two stands from Canada and one from the U.S., with different design approaches and likewise different sonics. Prices range between $500 and $800 USD. I believe all can be purchased direct or through your favorite dealer. There are many alternatives to these 3 stands from smaller companies that make your stand once they receive your order - to making your own. We have seen some very nice work on this blog form do-it-yourselfers. To me, they all sound different. What you prefer and how it makes you feel while you are listening is what matters most.

                    John Geisen

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                    • Good post John. I should be very helpful to those trying to decide which way to go. I would like to add however the most recent version of the Foundation stands are an improvement over the original. If you had to assemble your Foundation stands you have the original design. It is important to adjust the spikes or feet properly so the stand is level and stable before mounting the speaker. A small amount of blue tak will help to keep the speaker from slipping but only use a very small pea size amount as it could damage the veneer when removed.

                      Don Leman

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                      • Hi Don,

                        Yes, I was referring to the current version not the former "kit" version of the Foundation stand which I thought was not very good. I like the current version quite a lot. I understand the current version still uses the "kit" for the P3ESR. Not sure if that is an issue?

                        John

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                        • kit

                          Originally posted by John Geisen View Post
                          Hi Don,

                          Yes, I was referring to the current version not the former "kit" version of the Foundation stand which I thought was not very good. I like the current version quite a lot. I understand the current version still uses the "kit" for the P3ESR. Not sure if that is an issue?
                          John, I also had the "kit" version of the Foundation Stands. I was unaware they have improved in quality and increased in cost. That's good news because I wouldn't want anyone else to have the problems like I had with the "kit" version. I didn't use blu-tak, the kit version came with cheap plastic feet to stick on top of the stands, and when I put it together one of the screws couldn't even thread, also the stands were not level when assembled. I also noticed they were made in China and not in Canada (don't know if that's still the case), the former Foundation kit version was horrible IMHO, and whoever made the kit version I bought I would assume lack of QA, a problem I find a a lot with outsourced fabrication.

                          That said I am happy with the Sound Anchor stands. And about the life being sucked out of the Harbeths with the Sound Anchors, I disagree. Sound is now more realistic as I've posted before. Stands do matter, and each stand does sound different. I would recommend everyone if you can audition before you buy if possible to avoid wasting money like I have.

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                          • Thought folks would be interested to know that the Ikea Oddvar stool (minus seat) seems to make a good stand for SHL5s. Just the right dimensions and good height at 45cm. Came across user on another forum using it to good effect. Price about 7 or $12 per stool!

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                            • Originally posted by tozen View Post
                              Thought folks would be interested to know that the Ikea Oddvar stool (minus seat) seems to make a good stand for SHL5s. Just the right dimensions and good height at 45cm. Came across user on another forum using it to good effect. Price about 7 or $12 per stool!
                              Realistically practical, and it was reported as being used to good effect. I would be proud to claim I paid only that much for it.

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                              • Some good info here for sure, and thanks John for your impression of the 3 stands. I think the ones that I have might be the earlier kit versions. They came with the speakers when I bought them from the gentleman that had owned them previously.
                                I too have heard other comments about both the Skylan and Sound Anchor stands overdamping the harbeths, but I find it hard to believe that they would "suck the life out of them", and personally, I figure if they overdamped it to that point, they probably wouldn't still be making them for the Harbeths.
                                In the case of the Monitor 30, I'm kindof wondering which would make the most sense ? I'm getting pretty good results with the Foundation, but.. since I haven't heard them with the Sound Anchor stand, it's an unknown as to what the net effect might be, and it's not like there's a dealer handy to grab a pair to try.. $800 on the 4 post version is a fair bit of money these days, although part of me thinks the 3 post variant is the one that will end up working a treat with the M30.
                                Anyone have experience with the Sound Anchors (3 post variant) on the M30 ?

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