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Stands for your Harbeths

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  • Hi Alan and others,

    Besides the fact that it may not look great, is there any sonic drawback to have the stand wider than the speakers e.g. putting a Compact 7 on the Ikea stand (13" wide)? Should I avoid doing that? I think using a wooden stool as the stand is quite a good idea, low cost and stable. But a stool as narrow as the C7 is hard to find and may not be stable anyway. Thanks.

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    • Hi Champion,

      Having the stand wider that the cabinet is usually not too much of an issue, but if the cabinet is placed back to to the center of the stand and there is a few inches showing at the front then this will cause a step and may add a bit of uneven Bass, as the Bass driver will have a little choke and it needs no interference around the driver. If the wooden stool is taller than 20" for your speakers then just cut off a few inches off each leg. You can also purchase Spike kits online or from a local dealer and this will allow you to level and steady up the stand.

      If you or other Harbeth users would wish to use Blu-Tac to hold you cabinets on your stands I would suggest to first place a Removable Paper Label, (Office supply) on the bottom of the cabinets and then have the Tak come in contact with the label. this way when you remove the cabinet you wont be pulling directly on the Veneer or Paint finish as the label should let go, just remember the Label has to be a REMOVABLE and they are used in stores as temporary price tags and can be peeled off objects.

      Cheers,
      Noel.

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      • Hi Double D,

        Thanks. I appreciate your comments. Not sure how the Skylan would over-damp the speakers since they have very little mass until you fill them. Noel would have a better idea regarding the specifics of damping the stands using kitty litter or rice. Also, the comment of "sucking the life out of his speakers" came from a customer. I believe I said I didn't necessarily agree. As for the three legged Sound Anchors, I have a customer who purchased a pair for SHL5's and really liked them. Later he upgraded to M-40's (not current 40.1's) and decided to go with the bar stools since the added height was about perfect. I believe Noel also helped him with some ideas which he much appreciated.

        John

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        • My Harbeth M30 Domestic are sitting just on the same Atacama SL500 you have and I am going to fill them up with river-sand tomorrow to mass-load them. Somebody tried to puzzle me with things like "it's better to use different amount of sand for each column of the the stand to avoid the reverberation of just one frequency, or to avoid to stop the bass too much". I'm not going to do it because I think that a good speaker doesn't need a stand's echo to sound a good bass! Therefore I will do the same way I think you did: same amount of sand for each column, filling them up.
          Ciao
          Astroalex

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          • Stands - light and rigid?

            To my ears, all Harbeth speakers sound best on light, rigid, open frames but if you already have Atacama stands I would strongly advise you do not completely fill the tubes with sand or whatever. To me, this deadens and slows the sound too much. Start at a 1/4 fill and go on if you feel you need to.

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            • Lightwight stands

              I agree with the above post. I am very happy with the sound of lightweight stands, and amazed with the depth and quality of bass I have 22" (with spikes) stands that I have owned for 25 years. The stands are branded Morel, and designed to work with the 2002 model speaker. The speakers are still in production, but I do not know if the stands are still available. There are two angled uprights, attached to a bass that all seems to be made of MDF. The top plate is metal, and slightly smaller than my Compact 7's. They are about 3" smaller in each dimension, resulting in about a 1 1/2' overhang on all sides.

              Does anyone think I would benefit from a larger top plate? The bottom is wider, so they appear, and are quite stable. The plate would probably fit the M 30's perfectly! Thanks for the above suggestion to use paper labels to protect the bottom of my speakers from Blue Tac.

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              • DIY 'Sound anchor' stands in wood?

                Did anybody think about a Do it yourself Replica of the Sound Anchor stands out of wood? I made some scheduling and I think it should be possible to make a wooden, but also very solid stand with nearly the same design.

                Regarding the top section I am not sure so far: top plate or only a connection by 4 timberjoints?

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                • Replica Epos v. Foundation stands

                  I've made a wooden (oak) replica of the Epos open frame stand for my Monitor 30's-they're rigid and work really well. I carry my 30's around to different places in the house and use Foundation stands (open frame, lightweight steel) in one location and the wooden ones in another location. Overall, I prefer the Foundation stands, which were specifically designed for Harbeths (they make one for each model), but it's not a night and day difference.

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                  • New stand for M30/C7 in USA

                    Thought members might like to see a new rather stylish stand thats become available in the US specifically for Harbeths (M30s and 7es). Look rather nice but possibly a little pricey?. I think I'd try to make my own first. http://www.austinhifi.com/waynetaylor.html

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                    • Interesting design ...

                      Hey, Phillip!

                      Interesting design, but way too fussy for my tastes. I wonder... if you hooked a wire to them and connected it to your tuner, would you get good reception?

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                      • Not my taste. Why put a fine piece of furniture on top of a pile of welded together coat hangers?

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                        • I agree too fussy. but a good reception guaranteed!. Personally I prefer my Skylans, both visually and for the fact that I can mass load them.
                          I don't feel completely comfortable with such a top heavy solution that light frames give (I have boisterous dogs!). My favorite lightweight stand however is this one.
                          Attached Files

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                          • Definitely not my cup of tea.

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                            • Good value stands?

                              In UK these are very good value

                              http://www.sightandsounduk.com/produ...productid=6949

                              and these cost rather more

                              http://www.superfi.co.uk/index.cfm/p...roduct_ID/5864

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                              • Great for spider web enthusiasts. :-)

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