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  • #16
    Re: Stands for your Harbeths

    I have used open top wood stand before. It was good in general, but the bass misses last bit definition and dynamic is slightly soft. Installing some carbon cones between speaker and stand help a bit but not totally resolve.

    Now the wood stand was replaced by Something Solid XF stand, it is light mass open frame steel, no rang at all. The bass definition and dynamic was back.



    • #17
      Re: Stands for your Harbeths

      Originally posted by kevint
      I have used open top wood stand before. It was good in general, but the bass misses a bit definition and overall dynamic is slightly soft. Installing some carbon cones between speaker and stand help a bit but not totally resolve.

      Now the stand was replaced by Something Solid XF stand, it is light weight open frame design, no rang at all. The bass definition and dynamic are back.

      Hi Kevin,

      of course you know final results depends on interaction between all components, considering you've tested with good equipment and placement, can you please tell me which open top wood stand and speaker combination isn't successful?
      IMHO Ikea Lack wood stand closed top are better than some expensive metal closed top stands. I haven't used Skylan or SS XF but with the Ikea I wasn't able to achieve a better sound inserting something between the stand and the C7 speaker.
      I'm sure there are good metal stands or maybe some are even better than most wood one, but my goals are to avoid any potential ringing, baffle, sand filling/mass loading problems and to look better (in my WAF room) than my Ikea Lack and most metal stands, Skylan and SS XF included.
      I've had difficulty to find wood stands in general, but with the Guizu "on paper" the goals are all met and the search is over, I can't imagine to ask for more.
      I hope 'll try it soon.

      Milan, Italy


      • #18
        Re: Stands for your Harbeths

        Hi Celadus,
        Agree the final result depends on interaction of all components. I did not tell any inadequacy of SS XF may be just because I did not spend enough time as I did for my previous wood stand.

        Anyway, I found most soft materials like bluetak or felts do not work well for wood stand. You may try some harder cones to interface your spk to stand. I found polymer or carbon made cone from Clearlight Audio and Black Diamond Racing work quite well for wood stand.



        • #19
          Ss Xf

          Is that the "bird cage" space frame design?


          • #20
            Re: Stands for your Harbeths

            When I first bought my SHL5s, the dealer recommended the 20" Epos open-frame stand, which cannot be filled. In spite of the fact that the stands are "too high and too ringy", the speakers sounded magnificent. A few months later, I felt I should have the "proper" stands and ordered 18" Skylans. They sounded good, but I made several electronics changes after that and I sort of forgot about the stands and accepted them as a given in the system. At some later point, I felt the system was sounding a bit dull, but I believed it to be something in the electronics.

            By chance, a friend of mine changed his speaker stands and loaned me his 24" ringy, metal Sound Organisation stands, which I tried, knowing they are both "too high and too ringy". Guess what? The speakers sounded far better, IMO. Piano notes had better transient attack and everything sounded much more lifelike in my system.

            My point is this - I'm not saying that one stand is better than the other or that one material is better than the other. I am saying that the stand material and the distance from the ground will make a significant difference in the balance of the speaker and should be experimented with. If you believe your system is on the dull or boomy side, consider raising them on a higher stand. Frankly, I think my dealer was right - those Epos 20" are a great choice. Thanks.


            • #21
              Re: Stands for your Harbeths

              Fascinating. Stands are one of those areas where people tend to accept a conventional wisdom, mainly because it is too difficult to experiment. Here you have experimented and found a result you did not expect. Thanks for sharing this. I think I'll try the Epos under my SHL5's.


              • #22
                Re: Stands for your Harbeths

                These are the ones I was talking about. Best results appeared to come from simply placing the speakers on the stands with no Blu-Tak or anything like that. They also come with top spikes, which I didn't try. If you have an aversion to not using an interface, you might consider Herbies thin 1" grungebuster dots at each corner, just to protect the speaker from directly contacting the metal.



                • #23
                  Re: stands &... what else

                  My dealer also told me, that Blue Tac may damage the finish of the speaker.
                  He recommended Pritt Buddies.

                  (I don't know if they are available in Italy, but here (in the Netherlands) they are sold to stick posters to the wall and remove them without doing damage to the wall and/or the poster.)

                  So I tried the Pritt buddies between my Harbeth Super HL5 and the ("heavy metal") Target R2 stands.
                  When using Pritt Buddies, make sure that you warm them (kneading). Put them on every corner between the speaker and the stand. Press the speaker on the stand, so that you can't seen the Buddies any more.

                  I am very happy with this solution. Compared to the previous situation, when the speakers were just sitting on the stands (with no "coupling"), the sound quality has improved.

                  Pritt Buddies are inexpensive. So you can try them without any financial risk. And because they can be removed without leaving traces, there is also no risk for your speakers.

                  Hopefully this answer is of any use to you.


                  • #24
                    The Manley 'Twizzle' adjustable metal stands

                    You may have noticed in my thread: that the Monitor 30s were on three-legged metal stands and the Monitor 40s on four-legged metal stands.

                    The M40 stands were custom made for me some years ago, and I recently rediscovered them in the stores and have put them to use. The M30 stands are completely new - a recent invention of Harbeth's distributor in France, David Manley.

                    The remarkable thing about these 'Twizzle' stands'* is that they have a wide range of height adjustment and are readjustable by the user very simply and easily to suite P3, C7, M30 and SHL5 to bring them up to whatever height you want. For speaker evaluation, where the listener may wish to align the height of the tweeters it is the perfect solution. It also puts to the test claims that stand height has a significant effect on sonic performance. Once the height is finally settled upon, then they can be sand or lead filled to suit. I have shuffled the M30s and their stands around so that they are side by side in these pictures just for clarity: I would not listen to them as photographed (see previous artical and pictures for my actual listening set-up).

                    I understand that Mr. Manley will make these available to members of our Harbeth User Group at a discounted price. Please contact him directly if you are interested. (Refer to Sales section on the Harbeth web site). The Copyright and Intellectual Property Rights associated with these designs are owned by Mr. David Manley.

                    Please also understand that I am not saying that these stands are sonically superior to any others (they may, or may not be; that is not the issue here) but that their ease of adjustment makes them absolutely ideal for critical listening and experimentation.

                    *named by me after a boy who could extend his arms and legs from the children's TV of my childhood: )
                    Attached Files
                    Alan A. Shaw
                    Designer, owner
                    Harbeth Audio UK


                    • #25
                      Re: Stands for your Harbeths

                      Hello Alan, when did you stop making the stands for the Compact 7 and why? I have a pair of the original stands and I think they are perfect for the compact 7's. It seems that these would be the best soloution as far as stand hight and construction are concerned. BTW I have a pair of quite different 7's, black ash with walnut baffle and non-mirror imaged square port. They are compact 7es's. Also these speakers have completely stoped me from wanting any thing else.



                      • #26
                        Re: Stands for your Harbeths

                        Um. Let me think: I guess we stopped making the wooden stands at least 7 years ago. The (commercial) problems were twofold: first, the cost. There is far more hand work in making veneered wooden stands than you would imagine. Second, the problems of veneer matching. Veneer oxidises with time depending on the listening room's light level, temperature etc. , and darkens. A customer who purchase the speaker and stands some time apart may not be satisfied with the veneer match - and this is problematic for everyone in the sales chain.
                        Alan A. Shaw
                        Designer, owner
                        Harbeth Audio UK


                        • #27
                          Re: Skylan stands

                          Originally posted by John Parkyn
                          Forgive me if I'm wrong but I've heard a lot of people recommending that Harbeth speakers sit on "Skylan" stands.

                          What's special about Skylan stands?

                          What other stands are recognized as being good for Harbeths?
                          I read enthusiastic reviews about Skylan stands; I tried to contact them once (they sell on the web) but I had no answer. Today I tried again.
                          Am I mistaking something ? Has anyone of you bought from Skylan on the web ?


                          • #28
                            wooden stands?

                            Hi All,

                            I'm living in Japan and have just bought a used pair of compact 7 speakers. They'll come with a pair of wooden stands 40cm high which appear to have been purposely made to fit the compact 7. Will a wooden stand be suitable? I'm used to sand filled steel/metal stands but, until now have always had a smaller speaker. Just wondered if these will be suitable or will inhibit a good performance. I'll be using a quad 34 and 306 with a marantz cd-17da. Any thoughts appreciated. Also wonder how the compact 7 fares aginst the compact 7es2 and 3?


                            • #29
                              Re: wooden stands?

                              Wooden stands are not a problem at all. Harbeths can sound great on them. I use them often.


                              • #30
                                Re: Stands for your Harbeths

                                Here my custom made stands for my C7ES2 .. the four legs are full half of leads and half of sand , I'm satisfied and they work fine