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Stands for your Harbeths

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  • #91
    Re: Stands for your Harbeths

    Now that is one of the best ideas we've ever had here. Build It Yourself. Just like the days of our youth when we had no money and we had to make our hi-fi equipment ourselves.

    Congratulations on a truly excellent idea - I'd very much like to encourage our members to have a go. Hi-fi DIY is fun, relaxing and rewarding.
    Alan A. Shaw
    Designer, owner
    Harbeth Audio UK

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    • #92
      Re: Stands for your Harbeths

      Originally posted by A.S. View Post
      Now that is one of the best ideas we've ever had here. Build It Yourself. Just like the days of our youth when we had no money and we had to make our hi-fi equipment ourselves.

      Congratulations on a truly excellent idea - I'd very much like to encourage our members to have a go. Hi-fi DIY is fun, relaxing and rewarding.

      Hi,
      As I have posted in the past, I shortly describe again my DIY stands, from the first day I got my SHL5s:

      Solid wood (MDF covered with black ash veneer)) platforms 30 X 30 cm on top & bottom,connected with 4 rectangular columns at 4 corners, height 36cm. Top platform with small height lifted edges to support (keep in place on corner edges) isolating ART AUDIO graphite cubes. SHL5s sit on them with 3 very small silicone self attaching tips on each cube to prevent sliding from them. Instead of spikes, 4 superspikes (Scandinavian made special spike systems with flat feet bottoms - very good stability, no holes no scratches on floor) that are screwed at four corners underneath the bottom platform/columns. You cannot feel even the slightest vibration on the stand when playing even loud. Speakers are like floating in the air. Total cost (materials, carpenter, accessories) waw about 320 euros for both. Total stands' height (speaker bottom from floor level) is 42cm and brings tweeter height at about ear level. Hope Alan and friends find it nice, after all I feel a very little proud and very much happy I designed them and they really work!

      Cheers to everybody,
      Thanos from Athens

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      • #93
        Re: Stands for your Harbeths

        HI Thanos,

        Pls post some pictures of your speaker stand or your set-up.

        rgds,

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        • #94
          Re: Stands for your Harbeths

          Originally posted by Jmohd View Post
          HI Thanos,

          Pls post some pictures of your speaker stand or your set-up.

          rgds,
          Hi,
          I want to, but somebody help with instructions of how do we attach pictures to the message for the user group. Thanks!

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          • #95
            Re: Stands for your Harbeths

            Originally posted by Thanos View Post
            Hi,
            I want to, but somebody help with instructions of how do we attach pictures to the message for the user group. Thanks!
            First you must log-in! Very important! Second, find your message that you want to attach photos to, or create a Reply to an existing message. Go to Manage Attachments and point to your JPEG or JPG images. They must not be too big - under about 50k is good.

            Can you follow this explanation or would you like me to make a step by step screen-cam where you can follow me doing it step by step in a downloadable video?
            Alan A. Shaw
            Designer, owner
            Harbeth Audio UK

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            • #96
              Re: Stands for your Harbeths

              Originally posted by A.S. View Post
              First you must log-in! Very important! Second, find your message that you want to attach photos to, or create a Reply to an existing message. Go to Manage Attachments and point to your JPEG or JPG images. They must not be too big - under about 50k is good.

              Can you follow this explanation or would you like me to make a step by step screen-cam where you can follow me doing it step by step in a downloadable video?
              Ok, I'll proceed so,
              Thank You Alan

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              • #97
                Re: Stands for your Harbeths

                Please remember, the image must be 600 pixels maximum in height or width or you can not upload it and it will be rejected. So -

                a) image must be smaller than 50kB and also
                b) must be smaller than 600 pixels in height or width
                Alan A. Shaw
                Designer, owner
                Harbeth Audio UK

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                • #98
                  Stands for your Harbeths - Shape and height

                  Good morning,
                  In the last days I had the chance to test several kind of stands for my new SHL5, with different heights (many thanks to my Harbeth Retailer's patience and kindness).
                  In reason of this I would like to share with the other Members of thr forum, that, in my room - full of wood, carpets and books, (4,2x6x2,7m) the best results are reached using open bottom stands.
                  Mounting the Harbeths on a plate surface, even spiked, doesn't offer as good presentation.
                  Another significant improvement I could notice when liftin the speaker from a ca. 45 cm to a ca. 50 cm stand. It was hardly belivable how just 5 cm of difference in height can improve the whole sound and detail is really impressive, for sure the best I've ever heard.

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                  • #99
                    Re: Stands for your Harbeths

                    I've recently discovered a very interesting range of speaker stands made especially ( i think) for Harbeths . There's very little info on them but I for one think they look great and takes the lightweight open frame philosophy to its max. Has anyone ever tried them ? I traced the maker/supplier to the Harbeth Croatian dealer: Pear Audio Europe d.o.o in Slovenija. There's only a couple of pics available on the whole web ( discovered by chance!) but the best I think is found via this link:
                    http://www.audiofil.net/hifi_item.asp?NewsID=235
                    just scroll down to the last set of three photos and double click on the last pic to open it up full size. Unfortunately when I e-mailed Pear Audio a while back the price for a set to fit my Monitor 30s sent here to the USA would have cost me around the $500 mark. I expect it would be a much better deal for those in Europe. He did explain they where made of a combination of various materials for a transparent a sound as possible. What do you all think does anyone else like them enough to try them and give us a report?

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                    • Re: Stands for your Harbeths

                      Just wanted to add that the stands mentioned in my previous post are not the same as ( but where inspired by) the similar looking but no longer available 'domos' range made by 'Reson' in Switzerland for the defunct Rehdeko loudspeakers from the early 90s.

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                      • Re: Stands for your Harbeths

                        My hear height (from the ground) at my listening position is 34inches. How high should the stands be for a pair of Super HL5? My ceiling is about 2.8m.

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                        • Re: Stands for your Harbeths

                          Here's another possibly interesting speaker stand for Harbeths. http://www.partingtonandco.co.uk/du.html
                          I wonder what Alan thinks especially regarding being used by BBC engineers. Personally I'm still more interested in the very unusual stands I mentioned here http://www.harbeth.co.uk/usergroup/s...=3493#poststop

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                          • Re: Stands for your Harbeths

                            Guys, as I've said, it beats me how the stand can make any dramatic difference to the sound other than adjusting the position of your ears relative to the tweeter depending upon stand height.

                            Feel free to select stands for cosmetic or such reasons, but honeslty, truly, please don't chase the dream of vast differences in perceived quality by investing in fancy stands. In my humble opinion you will get a far greater enhancement in your life - and do good for others less well off than yourself - if you drop the money (or even half of it) you would have spent on exotic stands into a charity tin next time you are out shopping. Stands are functional. If there was a clearly superior stand don't you think that I'd have grabbed it years ago and insisted that it be used in all public exhibitions and for Harbeth development and at home myself*? This is what I've said before ....

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                            7. Harbeth speakers do not need exotic stands. You can use wooden stands or metal or plastic stands. We use them all interchangebly through development and critical listening. Distrust rumours that 'Harbeth's only work with ... stands' as there is no rational basis whatever behind them. It is entirely your free choice what takes your fancy, fits in with your furnishings and budget.you chose. If all you have available to get you going is something as basic as the IKEA plant pot stands (mentioned throughout the HUG, even used during the design of the Compact 7ES3 - see picture) or a pile of house bricks or telephone directories - no problem! You will still make beautiful music. The key point is to raise the tweeter to about ear level. The Skylan stands are an excellent value-for-money choice that we have used at exhibitions ourselves. Filling stands or not is your choice.
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                            Alan

                            * Yesterday, unrequested, I received in the post 'Penny Shares Investors Monthly'. I made myself a coffe and sat down to read it from cover to cover, having already spent the millions it promised. It was very well produced and talked a good long story about discoveries of vast hidden oil reserves only just now detectable by a new 'x-ray' technique. Then it occurred to me, if the technique was that solid, surely the oil giants have snapped it up and be generating wealth for themselves cutting-out people like me? The answer must be that either the technique is not reliable and/or the reserves it hints at are just not there. Back to stands - if the differences were that great, surely I'd be the very first on the bandwaggon.
                            Alan A. Shaw
                            Designer, owner
                            Harbeth Audio UK

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                            • Re: Stands for your Harbeths

                              Alan , I agree totally with what you say. Correct height and stability should come first after that for me its about cosmetics. Some stands will look better than others in different spaces.This was the main factor in me sharing these two visually unusual designs ( rather than performance based) I tend to like the more invisible thin framed type stands for my room, hence my interest in the ultra minimal cradle like stands made by Harbeth's Croatian distributors. On a cost level the two Euro made stands I mentioned are probably not much more if at all than the Canadian Skylans ( which I own) for the European readers of this forum even with the weak dollar after shipping is taken into account.

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                              • Re: Stands for your Harbeths

                                What height speaker stand should I get for P3s? I'm a tall guy, and my ear height is about 38-40 inches off the ground when seated.

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