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Stands for your Harbeths

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  • What to fill your stands with?

    I have some metal stands which I'd like to fill for stability. Noel (of Skylan) has mentioned "Kitty Litter" which he showed me at the Montreal show 2008 and has been mentioned here before. Not being a pet owner, I thought it would be easier to go to a builders warehouse and purchase a large polythene sealed-bag of 'coarse sand'. I then bought a cooking funnel from the supermarket and that's when the problems started ..... so here is my experience ....

    1) The sand had sweated inside the polythene bag. That means it is damp. The consequence is that is cannot be poured down the funnel; it just sits as a clump.

    2) It would have been better to buy 'silver sand' sold for children's playgrounds. Even though it too was sold in sealed polythene bags, you could see through the bag that it flowed freely and was not clumped together. Perhaps this sand is cleaner or treated to be more resistant to moisture.

    3) I passed an out-of-town pet store and enquired about "Kitty Litter". From memory, "Kitty Litter" comprised small, baked-bean sized round smooth balls of some odourless chalk-coated material. The pet store had never heard of it. I asked to be shown all the cat litter products that they had. The normal product sold for the purpose is an irregular sized and shaped, white, chipped material. I bought that.

    It seems to me that Noel is correct and that the most elegant, simple and clean stand filling material is indeed "Kittly Litter" - but it does not seem to be available here in the UK. I'm sure that the white chipped material (or dry silver sand) has similar or interchangeable acoustic properties but none beat "Kittly Litter" for simplicity.

    I will take some pictures.
    Alan A. Shaw
    Designer, owner
    Harbeth Audio UK

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    • Re: Stands for your Harbeths

      You can, at least here in Canada, buy "construction grade" sand which is kiln dried, no mioisture whatsoever. Try a building supply outlet.

      /Geoff

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      • Stands for M40

        Currently I have some selfmade stands for my M40s. About 45cm high.

        Now I want to design lower ones that move the tweeter more to ear height. I know that there is minimum height to have a good bass, but I use DSP, so the bass is not an issue.

        If I sit on my sofa then the tweeters are above ears height. Do you have any idea where the ideal spot is? It seems to me that the best ear position is above the mid speaker and below the tweeter? Any recommendations?

        Are the M40s designed for a specific position? Where is this position?

        Thanks.
        T.W.

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        • Re: Stands for your Harbeths

          Very happy with SKYLAN 4 post 18" stands for my C7ES3's.I used the kitty litter it was easy and effective.I bought the Purina Maxx 99%dust free in 10kg bags,2 bags did the trick.
          Noel is a great guy, his stands are affordable and they perform and look great.

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          • Re: Stands for your Harbeths

            Hi guys: I'm wait for a pair of monitors 30 to arrive. Could anybody tell me the distance beween the bottom and the tweeter? I'm trying to figure what stand to buy. I attached a little diagram so you know what I'm referring to.
            Attached Files

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            • Re: Stands for your Harbeths

              Hi Ebenai,

              The M-30 speakers normally go on 24" stands. (Which includes feet).

              Also:
              Compact 7 ..... 20"

              HL-5 ..... 18"

              M-40.1 ...... 14"

              P-3...... 26"

              Noel.

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              • Re: Stands for your Harbeths

                Hi Ebenai
                I certainly encourage you to consider Noel's stands. I am very happy with mine and Noel is an absolute gentlemen.
                Kind Regards
                Andrew

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                • Re: Stands for your Harbeths

                  Originally posted by skylan View Post
                  Hi Ebenai,

                  The M-30 speakers normally go on 24" stands. (Which includes feet).

                  Also:
                  Compact 7 ..... 20"

                  HL-5 ..... 18"

                  M-40.1 ...... 14"

                  P-3...... 26"

                  Noel.
                  Hi Noel,
                  I recently sent you an email ordering the 14" stands for my HL5's, I didn't realise that they were designed specifically for the M-40. Would it be better to get the 18'stand s?

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                  • Re: Stands for your Harbeths

                    If I use wooden stands for my HSL5s (ie. the Resonant Woods speaker stands for the HARBETHS), will there be any difference between such stands and the metall ones.

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                    • Re: Skyland stands

                      Dear all,

                      I'm live in Hong Kong, and I would like to buy a pair of Skyland for my SHL-5. Actually I've sent two e-mails to Skyland claiming about order but I can't got any reply from Skyland till now. Anyway any other ways to contact with the Skyland?

                      Kenneth

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                      • Re: Skyland stands

                        Originally posted by kenneth View Post

                        Dear all,

                        ...........Actually I've sent two e-mails to Skyland claiming about order but I can't got any reply from Skyland till now.
                        Anyway any other ways to contact with the Skyland?

                        Kenneth
                        Kenneth,
                        I sent an email to Skylan in December, also without answer.....

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                        • Re: Skyland stands

                          I'll call Skylan in Canada from the UK.

                          Please do remember that Noel not only makes these stands by hand but he handles all office matters and packing and despatch - truly a one man army. I'll see if we can get him to make a comment here about what is a reasonable time to wait for him.
                          Alan A. Shaw
                          Designer, owner
                          Harbeth Audio UK

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                          • Re: Stands for your Harbeths

                            Hi folks,

                            My sincere apologizes for lack of response to your e.mails. I have had a few issues with my inbox and have double messages showing not read. I am getting through them at present.

                            Kenneth, I am sending you a reply this afternoon. (It is usually quicker to get me on the phone as I have an ear- bud connection under my hearing protection muffs when running the saws and routers).

                            I appreciate your patience.
                            Thanks,
                            Noel.

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                            • Re: Stands for your Harbeths

                              Thanks A.S. and Noel!!
                              I've recevied Noel's e-mail this afternoon and also ordered stands for my SHL-5!

                              Regards
                              Kenneth

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