Announcement

Collapse

HUG - here for all audio enthusiasts

INTRODUCTION- PLEASE READ FIRST TO UNDERSTAND THIS FORUM!

"This Harbeth User Group (HUG) is the Manufacturer's own managed forum dedicated to natural sound, realisable by controlling the confounding variables between tthe microphone and the listeners' ears.

For example, the design of and interaction between the hifi amplifier and its speaker load can and potentially will alter the sound balance of what you hear. To reproduce the sounds captured by the recording microphones, as Harbeth speakers are designed to do, you would naturally select system components (sources, electronics, cables and so on) that do not color the sound before it reaches the speakers.

Identifying components for their system neutrality should, logically, start with the interpretation and analysis of their technical, objective performance, as any and every deviation from a measurably flat frequency response at any point along the serial chain from microphone to ear is very likely to cause the total system to have an audible sonic personality. That includes the contribution of the listening room itself.

HUG specialises in making complex technical matters simple to understand, aiding the identification of audio components likely to maintain a faithful relationship between the recorded sound and the sound you hear. With our heritage of natural sound, HUG cannot be really be expected to guide in the selection, approval, endorsement or even discussion of equipment that is intend to introduce a significantly personalised sound to the audio signal chain. For that you should do your own research and above all, make the effort to visit an Authorised Dealer and listen to your music at your loudness on your loudspeakers through the various electronics offered there. There is no on-line substitute for that time investment in a dealer's showroom.

If you desire to intentionally tune your system sound to your personal taste, please consider carefully how much you should rely upon the subjective opinions of strangers. Their hearing acuity and taste will be different to yours, as will be their motives and budget, their listening distance, listening loudness and listening room treatment, not necessarily leading to appropriate equipment selection and listening satisfaction for you.

Alternatively, if faithfully reproducing the sound intended by the composer, score, conductor and musicians over your speakers is your audio dream, then understanding something of the issues likely to fulfill that objective is what this forum has been helping with since 2006. Welcome!"


Jan. 2018
See more
See less

BBC 3 High Resolution?

Collapse
X
  • Filter
  • Time
  • Show
Clear All
new posts

  • BBC 3 High Resolution?

    While browsing the classical music station list on my Apple TV I noticed BBC 3 Hi, and BBC 3 Lo. I assumed that this is the hi resolution feed. The sound was very good fed through a Musical Fidelity V-DAC. Does anyone know if this is the highest resolution feed?

    BTW for classical lovers, 99.5 All Classical (WCRB) has added an all Boston Symphony Orchestra/Tanglewood, and a Baroque channel. They can be accessed through the 99.5 All Classical website.

  • #2
    Yes!
    http://www.harbeth.co.uk/usergroup/s...d-(BBC-Radio-3)

    Comment


    • #3
      Boston Symphony?

      Originally posted by Drdennis View Post
      BTW for classical lovers, 99.5 All Classical (WCRB) has added an all Boston Symphony Orchestra/Tanglewood, and a Baroque channel. They can be accessed through the 99.5 All Classical website.
      Can anybody hear this? I just get "error #2032" no matter what I try.

      Comment


      • #4
        Try
        www.wgbh.org/995/bso.cfm

        Comment


        • #5
          Firewall

          Thanks for that. It transpires that the problem was my firewall - WGBH likes to use some slightly unusual ports.

          The bit rate of all of the WGBH stuff seems a little on the low side, unfortunately.

          This URL might be of interest.

          Comment


          • #6
            Two of my threads have been crossed. Both however concern internet radio. BBC 3 and BSO/Tanglewood are excellent classical music channels.

            Comment


            • #7
              Originally posted by Pluto View Post

              This URL might be of interest.
              How does one spell plentitude as in "That is a plentitude of links!"

              Thanks, Pluto

              Comment


              • #8
                Permanent Radio 3 HD player ...

                www.bbc.co.uk/radio3/hd-sound
                this seems to be a permanent link and opens the BBC player.
                Paul

                "If all else fails, read the instructions"

                Comment


                • #9
                  For easy connection to hundreds of radio sites Google The Air This Week

                  Comment


                  • #10
                    BBC Radio 3 (classical service) inside/outside UK

                    Originally posted by Paul G Smith View Post
                    www.bbc.co.uk/radio3/hd-sound
                    this seems to be a permanent link and opens the BBC player.
                    That link goes to the Flash Stream which is only available to UK IP addresses.

                    (I have just tested from Cyprus with and without my VPN)

                    This BBC Radio 3 320kb/s AAC stream is available internationally

                    Code:
                    Radio 3 (320kbps AAC) http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio/listen/live/r3_aaclca.pls
                    
                    
                    Here is the whole set of AAC streams
                    
                    Radio 1 (128kbps AAC)http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio/listen/live/r1_aaclca.pls
                    
                    Radio 2 (128kbps AAC) http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio/listen/live/r2_aaclca.pls
                    
                    Radio 3 (320kbps AAC) http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio/listen/live/r3_aaclca.pls
                    
                    Radio 4 (128kbps AAC) http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio/listen/live/r4_aaclca.pls
                    
                    Radio 5 Live (128kbps AAC) http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio/listen/live/r5l_aaclca.pls
                    
                    6 Music (128kbps AAC) http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio/listen/live/r6_aaclca.pls
                    
                    Radio 1xtra (128knps AAC) http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio/listen/live/r1x_aaclca.pls
                    
                    Radio 4 Extra (128kbps AAC) http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio/listen/live/r4x_aaclca.pls
                    
                    Radio 5 Live Sports Extra (128kbps AAC) http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio/listen/live/r5lsp_aaclca.pls
                    
                    Asian Network (128kbps AAC) http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio/listen/live/ran_aaclca.pls
                    Cut and paste any of the above URL into a suitable media player.

                    Paul, have yo really got that link to work from France?

                    Comment


                    • #11
                      Hi-res AAC not Flash in France confirmed.

                      Originally posted by Labarum View Post
                      That link goes to the Flash Stream which is only available to UK IP addresses.

                      Paul, have you really got that link to work from France?
                      Yes when I first tried it when I made the post it worked, but subsequently I get the "not available in your area" standard i-player message.
                      The AAC stream does work, but as I have a satellite RXCVR and a less than reliable internet connection, I use the Astra 3 feed. I'll have a comparative listen to the two feeds one day when the internet feed is solid.

                      As a matter of interest, things may have changed since, but live Outside Broadcasts were made using a dual 128Kbit ISDN connection using either musicam (mp3) coding or APT-X , so the bitrate from an OB was at best 256Kbit!
                      Paul

                      "If all else fails, read the instructions"

                      Comment


                      • #12
                        Hi Paul.

                        You are lucky to have the Sat Receiver. I would need a 4.3 metre dish to get UK TV in Cyprus. I have a reasonably fast cable internet connection in Nicosia with analogue TV in the package - but that only gives me BBC World and a few other channels that don't interest me. I use iPlayer and ITV Player over a VPN - works well - except when Flash crashes! An iPlayer HD download is excellent.

                        For radio I use a Squeezebox, feeding a Beresford Caiman DAC, and the BBC iPlayer Pluggin by Triode gets me the lot at the highest bitrates including "Listen Again".

                        If your internet connection improves it would be worth considering, but the satellite streams (at 192kb/s MP2) are fine.

                        I am presently listening to my latest discovery - Priory Radio - and that I have referenced in another thread. In a few weeks they should be streaming some fine Christmas music.

                        But I do envy your sat dish!

                        Comment


                        • #13
                          R3 hi-res MP2/192 vs 384 AAC

                          I can confirm that the Hi-res internet AAC stream does indeed sound better than the satellite feed, so perhaps a fast internet connection is the way to go. (saves building a radio telescope!)
                          Paul

                          "If all else fails, read the instructions"

                          Comment


                          • #14
                            Internet high-quality audio streams - some tips

                            Originally posted by Paul G Smith View Post
                            I can confirm that the Hi-res internet AAC stream does indeed sound better than the satellite feed
                            I presume you are using the same DAC for both streams. The DAC in the Sat Box could be very poor. It was in mine - well mine was a Virgin Cable Box, but it used the same 192 kb/s MP2 stream. Running an optical link to a better DAC made a big difference. But yes, The 320kb/s AAC stream is a good bit better than the MP2 stream at 192 kb/s. MP2 is an old CODEC. MP3 at 128kb/s would probably better it, but it does depend a lot on how the signal is processed in the studio. Dynamic compression (as in the loudness wars) can kill the music very fast!

                            This stream is 'only' 128 kb/s MP3, but is very nice

                            Code:
                            http://zlz-stream13.streamserver.ch/1/rsc_fr/mp3_128
                            
                            Edit:
                            
                            I note the link below offers these three stream URLs
                            
                            AAC
                            
                            http://www.radiosuisseclassique.ch/live/aacp.m3u
                            
                            or MP3
                            
                            http://www.radiosuisseclassique.ch/live/mp3.m3u
                            
                            If neither of these links works, try:
                            
                            MP3
                            
                            http://livestream.srg-ssr.ch/1/rsc_fr/mp3_128
                            Radio Swiss Classic

                            http://www.radiosuisseclassique.ch/en/webradio

                            Note they offer an alternative AAC+ they claim is of similar quality to the 128kb.s MP3 streams but is only 64kb/s

                            ---

                            In general, if you want a very good range of high quality radio streams, a better internet connection is the way to go.

                            Squeezebox makes it very easy (if you are reasonably technical), but there are may other ways in.

                            The quality of the DAC is a very important factor. The DAC needs to be chosen with care, but need not cost a fortune.

                            They say the DAC in the Squeezebox Touch is excellent: I have not heard it.

                            Comment


                            • #15
                              DAC destreaming!

                              Originally posted by Labarum View Post
                              I presume you are using the same DAC for both streams. The DAC in the Sat Box could be very poor.
                              Yes Labarum, the internet stream from the PC goes optically, and the satellite RXCVR goes sp-diff, BOTH into my Bryston DAC.

                              The satellite RXCVR is a Humax HD set to stereo out, and the PC can cope with up to 192/24bit streams / FLAC.

                              The Bryston will accept up to 192/24.
                              Paul

                              "If all else fails, read the instructions"

                              Comment

                              Working...
                              X