HUG - here for all audio enthusiasts

The Harbeth User Group is the primary channel for public communication with Harbeth's HQ. If you have a 'scientific mind' and are curious about how the ear works, how it can lead us to make the right - and wrong - audio equipment decisions, and about the technical ins and outs of audio equipment, how it's designed and what choices the designer makes, then the factual Science of Audio sub-forum area of HUG is your place. The objective methods of comparing audio equipment under controlled conditions has been thoroughly examined here on HUG and elsewhere and should be accessible to non-experts and able to be tried-out at home without deep technical knowledge. From a design perspective, today's award winning Harbeths could not have been designed any other way.

Alternatively, if you just like chatting about audio and subjectivity rules for you, then the Subjective Soundings area is you. If you are quite set in your subjectivity, then HUG is likely to be a bit too fact based for you, as many of the contributors have maximised their pleasure in home music reproduction by allowing their head to rule their heart. If upon examination we think that Posts are better suited to one sub-forum than than the other, they will be redirected during Moderation, which is applied throughout the site.

Questions and Posts about, for example, 'does amplifier A sounds better than amplifier B' or 'which speaker stands or cables are best' are suitable for the Subjective Soundings area only, although HUG is really not the best place to have these sort of purely subjective airings.

The Moderators' decision is final in all matters and Harbeth does not necessarily agree with the contents of any member contributions, especially in the Subjective Soundings area, and has no control over external content.

That's it! Enjoy!

{Updated Oct. 2017}
See more
See less

Legal, patents etc.

  • Filter
  • Time
  • Show
Clear All
new posts

  • Legal, patents etc.

    As you may be aware, in the early 1990's we were granted a UK-only patent for the RADIAL cone concept. This offered, in theory, a small degree of protection to us should anyone enter the UK market with a product that encroached on our patent. It offers no protection at all to us in markets outside the UK; the majority of our speakers are exported from the UK.

    At the drafting stage of our patent it was not necessary - nor would it have been prudent - to disclose to public gaze the fine chemical/mechanical/acoustic details of how RADIAL actually behaved, nor how it was processed, nor the details of it acoustic advantages except in the most general terms sufficient to satisfy the patent registrar, who is, of course, not a loudspeaker specialist. So, what we put into the public domain about RADIAL is the tip of the iceberg compared to what we know, and we know a great deal about the 'wrinkles' of making RADIAL work as well as it does. We have a good working knowledge of this specialist area of polymer-acoustics

    Much more effective protection is offered by the fact that the processing of the four key component chemicals in the RADIAL mixture is virtually impossible, since they do not naturally want to combine. They are like pieces of four different jigsaws that demand extreme attention to detail (times, pressures, temperatures, activators, lubricants, catalysts etc.) to persuade them to interbond. This necessitates my personal and continuously supervision of the process as I have done (see picture below) on both occasions that I've made RADIAL material in bulk. Furthermore, three of the materials are now obsolete (their impending obsolescence was known to us when we selected them nearly fifteen years ago) and as they are long out of production with no viable alternatives there cannot be, by definition, a prospect of infringement of the RADIAL patent.

    Everything about RADIAL is expensive: the chemistry is expensive (Japanese high technology), the granularising is time consuming (it can only be extruded at a dribble) and it all adds up. [By contrast, the norm for the speaker industry is just one phonecall to a pertochem supplier .... 'please deliver me a roll of your grade 123 vacuum formable polypropylene tomorrow' - you can be vacuum forming cones the same day.]

    We have been making the RADIAL polymer and injection moulding cones for more than ten years (justifying our substantial investment in hardened-steel tooling) when the industry norm remains vacuum forming using simple, often wooden male mould tools. RADIAL cannot be vacuum formed; when you commit to it, you expose yourself to a substantial tooling-up cost and great risk: if the tooling is not right, you may have to scrap it and start again.

    Harbeth UK has under lock and key a considerable stockpile of both the finished RADIAL material and the constituent chemicals for at least twenty years production; last year I personally formulated granularised RADIAL sufficient for about 100,000 cones. I guess that had there been a universal adoption of RADIAL across the speaker industry (repeating my predecessors patenting of polypropylene) then there would have been a worthwhile demand for the chemical industry, and the necessary chemicals would still be in production. We assumed that would indeed be the case, hence the investment in a patent but it has proved otherwise.

    In my opinion, non-availability of essential chemicals is the last word in intellectual property rights. Ten years on, RADIAL is still the best, lowest mass, most rigid, cleanest sounding cone material: it was a generation ahead of the pack then, and it still is. Our stockpile and even more so our accumulated material and processing knowledge is your best protection of 'the Harbeth midband'.
    Alan A. Shaw
    Designer, owner
    Harbeth Audio UK