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"This Harbeth User Group (HUG) is the Manufacturer's own managed forum dedicated to natural sound from microphone to ear, achievable by recognising and controlling the numerous confounding variables that exist along the audio chain. The Harbeth designer's objective is to make loudspeakers that contribute little of themselves to the music passing through them.

Identifying system components for their sonic neutrality should logically proceed from the interpretation and analysis of their technical, objective performance. Deviations from a flat frequency response at any point along the signal chain from microphone to ear is likely to give an audible sonic personality to the system at your ear; this includes the significant contribution of the listening room itself. To accurately reproduce the recorded sound as Harbeth speakers are designed to do, you would be best advised to select system components (sources, electronics, cables and so on) that do not color the sound before it reaches the speakers.

For example, the design of and interaction between the hifi amplifier and its speaker load can and will alter the sound balance of what you hear. This may or may not be what you wish to achieve, but any deviation from a flat response is a step away from a truly neutral system. HUG has extensively discussed amplifiers and the methods for seeking the most objectively neutral among a plethora of product choices.

HUG specialises in making complex technical matters simple to understand, getting at the repeatable facts in a post-truth environment where objectivity is increasingly ridiculed. With our heritage of natural sound and pragmatic design, HUG is not the best place to discuss non-Harbeth audio components selected, knowingly or not, to introduce a significantly personalised system sound. For that you should do your own research and above all, make the effort to visit an Authorised Dealer and listen to your music at your loudness on your loudspeakers through the various offerings there. There is really no on-line substitute for time invested in a dealer's showroom because 'tuning' your system to taste is such a highly personal matter. Our overall objective here is to empower readers to make the factually best procurement decisions in the interests of lifelike music at home.

Please consider carefully how much you should rely upon and be influenced by the subjective opinions of strangers. Their hearing acuity and taste will be different to yours, as will be their motives and budget, their listening distance, loudness and room treatment, not necessarily leading to appropriate equipment selection and listening satisfaction for you. Always keep in mind that without basic test equipment, subjective opinions will reign unchallenged. With test equipment, universal facts and truths are exposed.

If some of the science behind faithfully reproducing the sound intended by the composer, score, conductor and musicians over Harbeth speakers is your thing, this forum has been helping with that since 2006. If you just want to share your opinions and photos with others then the unrelated Harbeth Speakers Facebook page http://bit.ly/2FEgoAy may be for you. Either way, welcome to the world of Harbeth!"


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On line article about P3ESR on InnerFidelity

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  • On line article about P3ESR on InnerFidelity

    http://www.innerfidelity.com/content/harbeth-p3esr

    With 2 gross mistakes on Page 1:

    - a 5 inch Radial2 carbon-fiber/bextrene/polypropylene composite woofer
    - Alan Shaw, a former BBC research engineer

    {Moderator's comment: as you say, both details wrong. That's because we were not asked to verify the journalists writing. We rarely are.}

  • #2
    Too many screws ....


    why the small P3 still need so many screws.. imo it is quite Unpleasant to look at.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by coredump View Post
      ...why the small P3 still need so many screws.. imo it is quite Unpleasant to look at.
      And what would your suggestion be I wonder?
      Alan A. Shaw
      Designer, owner
      Harbeth Audio UK

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      • #4
        Keep the grille on...

        Originally posted by coredump View Post

        why the small P3 still need so many screws.. imo it is quite Unpleasant to look at.
        You're not meant to see the screws - the grille is supposed to stay in place as part of the voicing.

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        • #5
          Reduce the screws

          OK, alright with a grille

          my suggestion is at least powder-coating to match the veneer; if not reducing the no of screws?

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          • #6
            Everything has a reason (baffle screws)

            Originally posted by coredump View Post
            OK, alright with a grille

            my suggestion is at least powder-coating to match the veneer; if not reducing the no of screws?
            I can't recall a comment about screws in the past 25 years so this is a new one for me!

            Basically, the front and rear panels of the box must be removable. This is for acoustic reasons, to create 'lossy joints'. Believe me this is the most expensive, difficult and labour intensive way to build a speaker cabinet. You would have to be either completely bonkers to throw money at such a cabinet or ..... actually believe that it was the best acoustic choice.

            If you can devise a way of securing the baffle/back for a 20 years service life in all temperatures with total confidence that neither will drop out, then be quick and patent it! Then tell me how to do it!

            There is one extremely important point to remember: Harbeth speakers are not throw-away consumer durables, they are capital equipment built to be serviceable. And as with all capital equipment, functionality is the dominant design goal, not prettiness.
            Alan A. Shaw
            Designer, owner
            Harbeth Audio UK

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            • #7
              Grille on!

              Interestingly enough, when looking to buy a set of speakers a while ago, the Harbeth's always seemed to be shown with the grills removed, and my sentiment was the same...however, as I studied my choices for speakers, it became obvious to me that taking the grill off was just another "idea" driven from the demented knowledge of *audiophiles*...I quickly realized after my research on the HUG site that the speakers are designed so that the grille remains; and frankly, they look wonderful that way, capital equipment or not...
              George

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              • #8
                A HUG member corrects some errors in the review

                I was quite irritated by the errors in the InnerFidelity online review, so posted some corrective comments in the section at the bottom of their review under the name 'Swisslad'. Disinformation is easily spread and as HUG members we should seek to make sure these kind of errors are corrected as much as we can.

                Have a look at my comments. I think I've straightened things out a bit.

                http://www.innerfidelity.com/content/harbeth-p3esr

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                • #9
                  Traditional values ....

                  Originally posted by A.S. View Post
                  If you can devise a way of securing the baffle/back for a 20 years service life in all temperatures with total confidence that neither will drop out, then be quick and patent it! Then tell me how to do it!
                  This statement really gels for me. The world should go back to this type of design/manufacturing principles. The buy and throw away attitude is so wrong. Our 3 year old PS3 died the week before when we inserted the first game in 3 years. $160 to fix vs $270 for a completely new PS3. ???!!!

                  Sadly, I type this post on an iPad where the battery cannot be replaced....
                  Simpli-Fi: Kuzma>Nighthawk>LebenCS300XS>P3ESR

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                  • #10
                    Grilles on by default

                    Originally posted by Macjager View Post
                    Interestingly enough, when looking to buy a set of speakers a while ago, the Harbeth's always seemed to be shown with the grilles removed, and my sentiment was the same...however, as I studied my choices for speakers, it became obvious to me that taking the grille off was just another "idea" driven from the demented knowledge of *audiophiles*... I quickly realised after my research on the HUG site that the speakers are designed so that the grille remains; and frankly, they look wonderful that way, capital equipment or not...
                    George
                    ...the demented knowledge of 'audiophiles'. I like that way of putting it...

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