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  • Value of 20 years old speakers

    I have been considering the purchase of a pair of P3-ESR speakers. I currently own a pair of '93 HL-P3s in good condition with new genuine Harbeth supplied grilles. What sort of price could I expect to get for these ? Thanks M.G. Miles.

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    Remarkable... I could have started this thread with exact the same question. The only difference is that I own Rogers Studio 3, first series. What can I expect? Not a lot, I am afraid...

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    • #3
      Saving for ...

      Something over 200, I suspect. Not as collectable as LS3/5as, but a competent speaker. My HL-P3s should realise about 400 I think. We both have some saving to do before becoming owners of a pair of P3ESRs...

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      • #4
        Building on strengths

        Hi Martyn,

        As you well know, the UK used-audio market is all over the shop these days. Knackered old Spendor BC1's fetch several hundred now, BCIII's in very suspect order go for a grand right now, yet not too long ago (eighteen months?), 'we' expressed surprise at some more recent Spendor S100's which went for under 700 in good condition if you remember..

        I can assure all here, with AS as my witness that the P3 in original form is a rather better speaker than the later LS3/5A as manufactured by Harbeth (I have vivid and fond memories of doing this comparison at the factory over twenty years ago now (YIKES!!!).

        The point is that the likes of LS3/5A's and BC1's are now collectors items, as the original 'lifetime' of these products expired many years ago, used prices bottomed out a long while ago and it's really serious, wealthy, vintage-audio collectors who are taking many of these, along with old Garrard & Thorens turntables, 12" SME tonearms and Tannoy speakers from the 1970's and old Radford valve amps etc. etc..

        I don't think you'd have any difficulty selling your P3's in all honesty. Lovely little speakers and although the current version is louder, clearer in the bass and mid and beautifully made, I promise they don't totally 'annihilate' the speakers you have. Rather, they're an evolutionary change, building on past strengths as I'm sure you know.

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        • #5
          Stepping closer to upgrade

          Originally posted by DSRANCE View Post
          Hi Martyn,

          As you well know, the UK used-audio market is all over the shop these days. Knackered old Spendor BC1's fetch several hundred now, BCIII's in very suspect order go for a grand right now, yet not too long ago (eighteen months?), 'we' expressed surprise at some more recent Spendor S100's which went for under 700 in good condition if you remember..

          I can assure all here, with AS as my witness that the P3 in original form is a rather better speaker than the later LS3/5A as manufactured by Harbeth (I have vivid and fond memories of doing this comparison at the factory over twenty years ago now (YIKES!!!).

          The point is that the likes of LS3/5A's and BC1's are now collectors items, as the original 'lifetime' of these products expired many years ago, used prices bottomed out a long while ago and it's really serious, wealthy, vintage-audio collectors who are taking many of these, along with old Garrard & Thorens turntables, 12" SME tonearms and Tannoy speakers from the 1970's and old Radford valve amps etc. etc..

          I don't think you'd have any difficulty selling your P3's in all honesty. Lovely little speakers and although the current version is louder, clearer in the bass and mid and beautifully made, I promise they don't totally 'annihilate' the speakers you have. Rather, they're an evolutionary change, building on past strengths as I'm sure you know.

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          The P3ESRs are on their way! My little HL-P3s are now advertised. A very similar pair went for 480 on eBay. Someone must want them...

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          • #6
            Sold

            Well, they went for 450, so I am happy.

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