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"This Harbeth User Group (HUG) is the Manufacturer's own managed forum dedicated to natural sound, realisable by controlling the confounding variables between tthe microphone and the listeners' ears.

For example, the design of and interaction between the hifi amplifier and its speaker load can and potentially will alter the sound balance of what you hear. To reproduce the sounds captured by the recording microphones, as Harbeth speakers are designed to do, you would naturally select system components (sources, electronics, cables and so on) that do not color the sound before it reaches the speakers.

Identifying components for their system neutrality should, logically, start with the interpretation and analysis of their technical, objective performance, as any and every deviation from a measurably flat frequency response at any point along the serial chain from microphone to ear is very likely to cause the total system to have an audible sonic personality. That includes the contribution of the listening room itself.

HUG specialises in making complex technical matters simple to understand, aiding the identification of audio components likely to maintain a faithful relationship between the recorded sound and the sound you hear. With our heritage of natural sound, HUG cannot be really be expected to guide in the selection, approval, endorsement or even discussion of equipment that is intend to introduce a significantly personalised sound to the audio signal chain. For that you should do your own research and above all, make the effort to visit an Authorised Dealer and listen to your music at your loudness on your loudspeakers through the various electronics offered there. There is no on-line substitute for that time investment in a dealer's showroom.

If you desire to intentionally tune your system sound to your personal taste, please consider carefully how much you should rely upon the subjective opinions of strangers. Their hearing acuity and taste will be different to yours, as will be their motives and budget, their listening distance, listening loudness and listening room treatment, not necessarily leading to appropriate equipment selection and listening satisfaction for you.

Alternatively, if faithfully reproducing the sound intended by the composer, score, conductor and musicians over your speakers is your audio dream, then understanding something of the issues likely to fulfill that objective is what this forum has been helping with since 2006. Welcome!"


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  • #16
    Feedback

    Problem: Yes, it plays but I am forced to listen to the entire file before I have control of my mouse.

    If I want to end the music before it reaches the end I have to kill the process in Task Manager. During the "mouse lockup" my cursor remains as a "hand" - after the sound file plays to the end my cursor reverts back again to an arrow.


    {Moderator's comment: What operating system are you using? Windows? Mac?}


    Edit: Windows 7 (64-bit).
    Erratic behavior going on here...

    First situation
    The above described problem does not happen when playing the "TEXT HERE" or "MORE TEXT" mp3 players
    The problem does happen when playing the "EVEN MORE" mp3 player.
    The problem presents itself whether I use IE 9.0 or Firefox 4.0

    Second situation
    When clicking on the start arrow for the "TEXT HERE" or "MORE TEXT" mp3 players - music starts immediately.
    When clicking on the start arrow for for the "EVEN MORE" mp3 player, cursor changes to a hand and it takes around 20 seconds before the music starts to play. Sometimes the cursor hangs or doesn't hang; sometimes the music starts instantly, sometimes it does not.

    [Will not test further.]

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    • #17
      XP, Firefox

      win XP, firefox 3.6.16

      slight replication of the mouse lock up issue.

      first clip started and then paused with proper mouse functions, same with second.

      Third clip seemed not to buffer initially (the progress bar didn't fill up) and mouse ceased to function - then all three clips started to play at once - then mouse worked again and player functioned as expected.

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      • #18
        New Xp install, all updates

        Recent fresh install of XP Home with all service packs etc. etc. Firefox 3.6.16. Broadband internet connection to Harbeth server.

        All three players quickly appear. All three are independently controllable, will pause, start and stop perfectly. Mouse behaves normally.

        Hence erratic behaviour noted by others on their XP/Firefox seems not to be an XP or Firefox issue but some other local matter to them.
        Alan A. Shaw
        Designer, owner
        Harbeth Audio UK

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        • #19
          Buffering?

          Alan, just speculating here but I wonder if your having better proximity to the Harbeth server is associated with your not encountering buffer or mouse lockup issues like Weaver and I are experiencing. Writing for myself, I am located in the United States, again this is all speculation.

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          • #20
            Feedback we'd like is:

            1) can you see all three players appearing?

            2) until you press PLAY on any one, the progress bar should be a light pinky/red.

            3) after you press play on any one, the progress bar should fill-up from left to right with a darker pinky/red.

            Please don't PLAY another clip until at least the progress bar of the first one has completely fileld up and it has started to play (audio can be heard).

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            • #21
              More feedback

              1. yes all three appear

              2. yes, appears as stated

              3. yes, but the third clip (Grimes?) takes a lot longer to fill up, ie nothing for maybe 10 secs then fills all at once, the others are (much) quicker (to start buffering) and more progressive to fill.

              Tried clearing cache and re-loading page the went straight to the 3rd clip and behavior was exactly the same
              Last edited by weaver; 15-04-2011, 02:01 PM. Reason: clarity

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              • #22
                Vista Business / FF 3.6.16 OK

                Originally posted by weaver View Post
                1. yes all three appear

                2. yes, appears as stated

                3. yes, but the third clip (Grimes?) takes a lot longer to fill up, ie nothing for maybe 10 secs then fills all at once, the others are quicker and more progressive to fill.

                Tried clearing cache and re-loading page the went straight to the 3rd clip and behavior was exactly the same
                Can't understand this. The third clip is only just over a minute long - the first three minutes.

                Just checked on Vista Business 32 at R&D centre (different ADSL provider, slower connection) and all three work as intended.

                Our server is in the UK (not our own, it's hosted) and you are in the UK.

                Are you on a wireless connection to your home router? Or on a mobile (USB) broadband dongle? If this is s buffering issue, surely the Flash clips would have had the same issues?
                Alan A. Shaw
                Designer, owner
                Harbeth Audio UK

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                • #23
                  XP Pro, FF 3.6.15 OK

                  R&D centre, PC2....

                  Win XP Pro SP3, FF 3.6.15

                  All clips work as intended. Clip3 takes a little longer to start *because there is a slow fade up and it appears to be silent*.
                  Alan A. Shaw
                  Designer, owner
                  Harbeth Audio UK

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                  • #24
                    More feedback ...

                    Originally posted by A.S. View Post
                    Can't understand this. The third clip is only just over a minute long - the first three minutes.

                    Just checked on Vista Business 32 at R&D centre (different ADSL provider, slower connection) and all three work as intended.

                    Our server is in the UK (not our own, it's hosted) and you are in the UK.

                    Are you on a wireless connection to your home router? Or on a mobile (USB) broadband dongle? If this is s buffering issue, surely the Flash clips would have had the same issues?
                    I'm on a wired BT business broadband connection.

                    Just tried it again, starting with the last clip first - click play button then it takes a count of 10 before the red stripe flashes across and the counter starts moving. The other two are pretty much instant.

                    If I re-load the page but don't clear the cache the third clip starts straight away.

                    Once it starts buffering it does seem to load much faster than the other two which would be what you might expect being a shorter clip; it just takes much longer to start buffering in the first place.

                    Are there Flash versions of the same clips?

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                    • #25
                      Ok on Android 2.2

                      On a wifi connection to my Dell Streak Android smartphone all three tracks play and are controllable.

                      Connectiong via 3G just can`t serve the file data fast enough. This says to me that there is no fundamental issue with this audio MP3 facility, it is one of the performance of the users broadband or wifi plus compatibility with their precise OS settings.
                      Alan A. Shaw
                      Designer, owner
                      Harbeth Audio UK

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                      • #26
                        Dramatic performance improvement since yesterday

                        User conditions have dramatically improved since yesterday. All three progress bars fill within 1-2 seconds, and will continue to fill that rapidly after flushing cache. First two items play music instantly after pressing start arrow Third item plays music within 2- 3seconds (instead of 10 - 12) after pressing the start arrow. Am pleased to report I am experiencing no cursor lockups at all. Windows 7 | Firefox 5.0 | IE 9.0 | Cable broadband

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                        • #27
                          Third item has impressive sound quality for a mp3.

                          Forgive me for writing a comment off topic here (i.e. not related to testing) but I couldn't resist... The sound quality in that third selection is quite impressive for an mp3. Whoever recorded that did a good job.

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                          • #28
                            Recording from 1958

                            Originally posted by Supersnake View Post
                            Forgive me for writing a comment off topic here (i.e. not related to testing) but I couldn't resist... The sound quality in that third selection is quite impressive for an mp3. Whoever recorded that did a good job.
                            Interesting. That recording is from 1958, Benjamin Britten's Peter Grimes.

                            You can read Alan's full analysis of that recording here.

                            http://www.harbeth.co.uk/usergroup/s...s-Peter-Grimes

                            Also we made some changes to the server. Please recheck that the four clips are playing OK now.

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                            • #29
                              Feedback - all working now

                              Tried it on my laptop at home early evening yesterday (XP pro, Firefox 3.6.16, wireless broadband connection) and got the same results I had done earlier at work.

                              Have just tried again (19.03, Saturday 16th) and am happy to report all works fine now.

                              I see the clips are now in a different order so references to 'third clip' may no longer make sense, but it was the Grimes clip that we both seemed to have issues with and on the same computer with the same set-up that clip is now much improved.

                              I can only guess that the mouse lock-up was due to the pc waiting for the audio file and not allowing any other action.

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                              • #30
                                Final check

                                So, I'm hopeful that we can migrate future audio clips from the Flash .swf (which has served us very well) to the new MP3 option. If you want to give this a final check, then feel free. I looked over the shoulder of our youngest who was visiting last weekend and his HTC Android phone buffered and played the three clips very quickly.
                                Alan A. Shaw
                                Designer, owner
                                Harbeth Audio UK

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