HUG - here for all audio enthusiasts

At its inception ten years ago, the Harbeth User Group's ambition was to create a lasting knowledge archive. Knowledge is based on facts and observations. Knowledge is timeless, independent of the observer and can be replicated. However, we live in new world in which objective facts have become flexible, personal and debatable. HUG operates in that real world, and that has now been reflected in the structure of HUG.

HUG has two approaches to contributor's Posts. If you, like us, have a scientific mind and are curious about how the ear works, how it can lead us to make the right - and wrong - decisions, and about the technical ins and outs of audio equipment, how it's designed and what choices the designer makes, then the factual Science of Audio sub-forum area of HUG is your place. The objective methods of comparing audio equipment under controlled conditions has been thoroughly examined here on HUG and elsewhere and can be readily understood by non-experts and tried-out at home without deep technical knowledge.

Alternatively, if you just like chatting about audio and subjectivity rules for you, then the Subjective Soundings area is you. If upon examination we think that Posts are better suited to one sub-forum than than the other, they will be redirected during Moderation, which is applied throughout the site.

Questions and Posts about, for example, 'does amplifier A sounds better than amplifier B' or 'which speaker stands or cables are best' are suitable for the Subjective Soundings area. From Oct. 2016, Posts in the Subjective Soundings area will not be spell checked or adjusted for layout clarity. We regret that but we are unable to accept Posts that present what we consider to be free advertising for products that Harbeth does not make.

The Moderators' decision is final in all matters and Harbeth does not necessarily agree with the contents of any member contributions and has no control over external content.

That's it! Enjoy!

{Updated Jan. 2017}
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    We have successfully used Flash .swf audio clips across this site. Apple do not like Flash in their iPad products and we are aware of the growing market for these units. We find the Flash system very convenient to implement and we are surprised by Apple's hostility to Flash.

    Please test this page for playability. It is an alternative player solution and has HTML5 long-term support. You should hear some music. Does it play on PC? mac? iPad? iPhone? Android phone? Other smart phone? Linux?

    Embedded version test:

    Loading the player ...



  • #2
    Opera, Firefox, Win7 SP1 = OK

    Works fine in my PC laptop: Win7, SP1 with both Opera 11.01 and Firefox 3.6.16


    • #3
      iPad = OK

      iPad - ok.

      {New piano strack stereo}


      • #4
        Win 7, Internet Explorer 8 = OK

        Works fine with on my pc with windows 7 and internet explorer 8....


        • #5
          Vista Business Sp2 + Firefox 3.6 and Firefox 4.0 = OK

          Works as intended.
          Alan A. Shaw
          Designer, owner
          Harbeth Audio UK


          • #6
            iPhone 4 (software 4.2.1) = OK

            iPhone 4 OK (Software 4.2.1)
            Over 3G connection.
            Last edited by Bodfish; 30-03-2011, 05:31 PM. Reason: Additional info


            • #7
              Worked on all my toys...

              PC Laptop Win 7 Pro IE9
              Blackberry 9700 os6
              ITouch 4G


              • #8
                Dell Streak, Android 2.2, Dolphin browser - 3G connection

                Player (eventually) appeared and (eventually) music started to play (in small chunks) over slow GPS connection.
                Alan A. Shaw
                Designer, owner
                Harbeth Audio UK


                • #9
                  Mac OSX (10.6.7) with Safari 5.0.4 and Firefox 3.6.15 = OK
                  iPhone (IOS 4.3) = OK


                  • #10
                    Clarifying my PC laptop specs.

                    Windows 7 and Internet Explorer 8= OK


                    • #11
                      Worked weil on Mac OSX (10.6.7) with Safari 5.0.4
                      Worked well on iPad with (IOS 4.3)
                      Worked well on iPhone with (IOS 4.3)

                      I believe Apple's primary issue with Flash has to do with it's inherent inefficiencies which have a negative impact on battery life. I may be wrong.



                      • #12
                        Flash and security

                        Originally posted by HUG-1 View Post
                        We are surprised by Apple's hostility to Flash.
                        The cold war between Apple & Adobe is one of the great modern corporate slanging matches.

                        See this for a rather one-sided view of the problem. But from my own, highly biased, perspective - Flash has thrown up some truly awful security issues. Not too significant for the Harbeth web site, but for those sites involving commerce or confidential...


                        • #13
                          Android, Mac 10.5.2 and XP all ok

                          Android 2.2: OK.
                          Win XP corporate build: OK.
                          Mac OS X 10.5.2: OK.


                          • #14
                            OK thanks David - that concludes the feedback, on the basis of which I think we can safely migrate future embedded audio to the new MP3 player and away from the Flash player. The functionality to you the user should be identical.

                            Later we will look at replacing Flash video with some other cross-compatible video system.

                            P.S. Good luck with the marketing of your new Fujitsu business-targeted pad solution. Anyone using a consumer-targeted iPad for a business application would be mad not to consider security very carefully.
                            Alan A. Shaw
                            Designer, owner
                            Harbeth Audio UK


                            • #15

                              Multiple MP3 players in one post test - three MP3 players applets should be visible at all times, and be individually controllable (play, pause etc.)

                              Loading the player ...
                              TEXT HERE

                              Loading the player ...
                              MORE TEXT

                              Loading the player ...
                              EVEN MORE

                              On Windows 7/Ult/SP1 (home) have full control and can start/stop any of the three at will. So, looks like we can now switch from Flash embedded audio to MP3 embedded and be completely cross compatible even with iPad.
                              Alan A. Shaw
                              Designer, owner
                              Harbeth Audio UK