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Help me understand my Harbeths sound so great!

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  • Help me understand my Harbeths sound so great!

    I currently have two systems in my home. The larger one consists of a pair of Martin Logan Summit Xs driven by a McIntosh C50 dac/preamp and MC452 amp. My smaller system has a McIntosh MC275 and MC22 preamp with Benchmark DAC1 driving a pair of Harbeth Compact 7ES-3s and a pair of REL T5s. At the moment, they are both in the same room until I get my editing room ready for the smaller system.

    Now, on the face of it, judging by the specs, the larger system should sound better in every way. Better coverage of the frequency range, more modern dac/preamp/amp. And indeed, when you listen to the larger system, the highs are more sparkling, the lows are lower, the midrange seemingly more extroverted. Yet, when I have a choice, I tend to prefer the Harbeth system. I have a visceral, almost physiological reaction to music played on the Harbeths, while music played on the other system seems more distant and less involving. I also feel as though I can hear more information in the music, even though the big electrostatics would seem to have more detail across the range.

    I've had people listen to both systems and within the first few moments, everyone says that the Logans are more "detailed". Even to me, there seems to be more information, especially in the high frequencies. But somehow it is the Harbeths that allow me to really hear into a track.

    I'm afraid I don't have the experience or vocabulary to describe what I'm experiencing. Have any of you had a similar experience comparing Harbeths to speakers costing far more? I can't explain it, but somehow they are more endearing than other speakers I've heard. The new REL T5s, by the way, seem to be a very nice match for the C7s.
    Last edited by jplaurel; 03-03-2011, 02:16 AM. Reason: grammar correction

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    You're experiencing musicality

    Hi jplaurel, what you are experiencing is called musicality. Harbeths don't just reproduce sound but more importantly, the intent, art & soul of the music.

    Listening to music should be a relaxing & heart warming experience. A lot of modern spks put too much focus on delivering a high 'wow' or jump factor to the sound making music appear mechanical or clinical & lacking in emotional involvement.

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      Dac

      In addition to the Harbeths the smaller system may have a better DAC.

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      • #4
        Comparing speakers to sharpened digital images?

        I don't have your experience, but perhaps the comparison of a sharpened digital image with the same image, unsharpened but at higher resolution is a suitable analogy.
        Ben from UK. Harbeth Super HL5 owner.

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          DACs?

          I don't think it's the DACs. The smaller system has the Benchmark DAC1, but the larger system has the new McIntosh C50 DAC, which can asynchronously decode input from the USB port up to 32bit/192kHz. Anything you send to the C50's DAC gets resampled to it's native 32/192. Though the Benchmark or the Peachtree DACs are each great in their own right, the are not in the same league as the C50.

          Originally posted by Drdennis View Post
          In addition to the Harbeths the smaller system may have a better DAC.

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            What is 'musicality'?

            That must be the answer, but what it "musicality"? How do you measure it?

            The Harbeth is indeed a very interesting speaker. Clearly, Alan is designing for something beyond just measured response. I am starting to understand why people say that Harbeths allow you to see deeper into the mix.

            I found BAS-H's analogy of a sharpened digital image vs an unsharpened one of higher resolution a good way to describe these two systems.

            Originally posted by Gan CK View Post
            Hi jplaurel, what you are experiencing is called musicality. Harbeths don't just reproduce sound but more importantly, the intent, art & soul of the music.

            Listening to music should be a relaxing & heart warming experience. A lot of modern spks put too much focus on delivering a high 'wow' or jump factor to the sound making music appear mechanical or clinical & lacking in emotional involvement.

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