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"This Harbeth User Group (HUG) is the Manufacturer's own managed forum dedicated to natural sound from microphone to ear, achievable by recognising and controlling the numerous confounding variables that exist along the audio chain. The Harbeth designer's objective is to make loudspeakers that contribute little of themselves to the music passing through them.

Identifying system components for their sonic neutrality should logically proceed from the interpretation and analysis of their technical, objective performance. Deviations from a flat frequency response at any point along the signal chain from microphone to ear is likely to give an audible sonic personality to the system at your ear; this includes the significant contribution of the listening room itself. To accurately reproduce the recorded sound as Harbeth speakers are designed to do, you would be best advised to select system components (sources, electronics, cables and so on) that do not color the sound before it reaches the speakers.

For example, the design of and interaction between the hifi amplifier and its speaker load can and will alter the sound balance of what you hear. This may or may not be what you wish to achieve, but any deviation from a flat response is a step away from a truly neutral system. HUG has extensively discussed amplifiers and the methods for seeking the most objectively neutral among a plethora of product choices.

HUG specialises in making complex technical matters simple to understand, getting at the repeatable facts in a post-truth environment where objectivity is increasingly ridiculed. With our heritage of natural sound and pragmatic design, HUG is not the best place to discuss non-Harbeth audio components selected, knowingly or not, to introduce a significantly personalised system sound. For that you should do your own research and above all, make the effort to visit an Authorised Dealer and listen to your music at your loudness on your loudspeakers through the various offerings there. There is really no on-line substitute for time invested in a dealer's showroom because 'tuning' your system to taste is such a highly personal matter. Our overall objective here is to empower readers to make the factually best procurement decisions in the interests of lifelike music at home.

Please consider carefully how much you should rely upon and be influenced by the subjective opinions of strangers. Their hearing acuity and taste will be different to yours, as will be their motives and budget, their listening distance, loudness and room treatment, not necessarily leading to appropriate equipment selection and listening satisfaction for you. Always keep in mind that without basic test equipment, subjective opinions will reign unchallenged. With test equipment, universal facts and truths are exposed.

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  • Here's a link to some of pix of my system and room. I may yet pivot the room to fire the length of it instead of the short width wise, but it's sounding good right now, so.. I'm not touching it ! hehehe

    http://http://www.bluecircle.com/for...pic.php?t=1060

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    • So sorry for the late reply... Yes JMohd is right... it was a local made and designed by the local Harbeth distributor....

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      • Thought I post some new pictures as I just uploaded some to photobucket which gave me larger and higher-definition pictures. Some changes include room treatments and speaker arrangement. The speakers now have zero toe-in and fire straight ahead.



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        • Originally posted by ryder View Post
          Thought I post some new pictures as I just uploaded some to photobucket which gave me larger and higher-definition pictures. Some changes include room treatments and speaker arrangement. The speakers now have zero toe-in and fire straight ahead.
          Wow, that's remarkable! Have you come to this setup after much experimentation? I always find them to sound best quite severely toed in (so you can just see the inner sides).

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          • Originally posted by garmtz View Post
            Wow, that's remarkable! Have you come to this setup after much experimentation? I always find them to sound best quite severely toed in (so you can just see the inner sides).
            Yes, I settled on no toe-in in my room after much experimentation. I have tried "severe" toe-in once after reading some recommendations on the setup but reverted back to minimal toe-in after a short while. Results can sometimes be unpredictable.

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            • My new setup:

              - Luxman L505 U, integrated amp
              - Luxman DU-50, SACD player
              - Tesla NC 430, vintage turntable (!)
              - Harbeth SHL 5, the newest members in system!
              - Accupahse interconect, Chord speakers cable
              Attached Files

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              • Originally posted by ryder View Post
                Thought I post some new pictures as I just uploaded some to photobucket which gave me larger and higher-definition pictures. Some changes include room treatments and speaker arrangement. The speakers now have zero toe-in and fire straight ahead.



                Hi Ryder,

                I see you have upgrade to Naim electronics now?

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                • Originally posted by jim123 View Post
                  Hi Ryder,

                  I see you have upgrade to Naim electronics now?
                  Hi Jim123,
                  Yes, NAC202/NAP200/Dual Teddycap(Hicap & NAPSC equivalent). They will most likely be my last upgrade(I know I have said this many times, but seriously these amps are here to stay).

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                  • Originally posted by ryder View Post
                    Hi Jim123,
                    Yes, NAC202/NAP200/Dual Teddycap(Hicap & NAPSC equivalent). They will most likely be my last upgrade(I know I have said this many times, but seriously these amps are here to stay).
                    Good choice....

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                    • A few days ago got my new SHL5s.
                      Compared to my good old Martin Logan Aerius, it is more detailed, clearer, warmer, goes deeper with a lot better bass and sounds full in lower levels. A more easy and natural sound anyway.

                      SHL5
                      Krell KAV-300i
                      Copland CDA-277
                      QED "Original" speaker cable
                      Custom made stands.
                      Attached Files

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                      • Hi Takis,

                        Your new SHL5 speakers and their stands look very nice! Your hard floor has any influences to the sound (echoes)?

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                        • Hi Tudor,

                          Not at all!
                          Everything sounds ok with the Harbeths as with the Martin Logans i had before. In winter, in front of the speakers i lay a carpet 2,50 x 3,50. A second bigger one, is at the other side of the living room which is 6,40 X 6,80 m. (not the ideal dimensions) and is theoretically more damped in the winter because of the two carpets. Anyway since now i have never noticed any unwanted reflections in the room with or mostly without the carpets.
                          Other furniture (all the time) is a big sofa and two smaller, the tv set, a bookcase and another one for the cd's, a big table and a smaller one, six chairs six-seven paintings on the walls and a few other wooden things. Two curtains (not thick) cover half the wall behind the harbeths.

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                          • Try throwing a thick blanket or duvet over that TV, I think you will notice a quite dramatic improvement in sound stage and imagery.

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                            • Originally posted by hifi_dave View Post
                              Try throwing a thick blanket or duvet over that TV, I think you will notice a quite dramatic improvement in sound stage and imagery.
                              Hi hifi_dave!
                              I did what you said, first I covered the tv and then I removed it (it's on wheels). I noticed an improvement, but it was a minor one either way! I decided to move backwards the tv. The speakers are now 110cm from the back wall, and the tv 70cm behind and not in line between them. I think it's a good compromise, you see, it's a living-room and not dedicated for music.
                              Greetings from Piraeus.

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                              • I am in the fortunate position of having a dedicated demo room in which to listen to my music but I do realise that the majority of Hi-Fi users have to listen in a sitting room with all it's compromises.

                                I discovered many years ago that any large and reflective object between the speakers does mess up the imaging and I have shown many customers the effect of covering it with a blanket or duvet. Of course this is unlikely to be domestically acceptable but it may be used when listening seriously to the system. Moving the TV so that it is not in line with the front of the speakers as you have done is a good compromise.

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