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P3ESR vs SHL5

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  • #31
    M40.1 - clean as a whistle

    My demo room is approx 14 x 16 ft with a section approx 7 x7 ft tacked on at the end to form an 'L' shape. The room has a concrete floor and all walls are timber-frame with plasterboard over.

    I ordered my M40.1's without listening first - I took them on trust because the other models in the range are so good. I did have a few concerns when I read a thread on here about poor bass from the M40.1 but I needn't have worried.

    The M40.1 is as clean as a whistle, with tight, deep, punchy bass that only appears when it's needed. Unlike a lot of large speakers it doesn't constantly drone and boom, just gives you a kick when called for. Naturally, the mid and top are as good as it gets.

    IMO, these are one of the very best speakers available and should be on every enthusiast's short-list.

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    • #32
      Re: P3ESR vs SHL5

      Originally posted by hifi_dave View Post
      My demo room is approx 14 x 16 ft with a section approx 7 x7 ft tacked on at the end to form an 'L' shape. The room has a concrete floor and all walls are timber-frame with plasterboard over.

      I ordered my M40.1's without listening first - I took them on trust because the other models in the range are so good. I did have a few concerns when I read a thread on here about poor bass from the M40.1 but I needn't have worried.

      The M40.1 is as clean as a whistle, with tight, deep, punchy bass that only appears when it's needed. Unlike a lot of large speakers it doesn't constantly drone and boom, just gives you a kick when called for. Naturally, the mid and top are as good as it gets.

      IMO, these are one of the very best speakers available and should be on every enthusiast's short-list.

      Great to hear that you are enjoying the 40.1. I'm excitedly looking foward for my 40.1 to arrive. As the day of the arrival is getting nearer, my heart beat faster.... :-)

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      • #33
        Re: P3ESR vs SHL5

        Your heart will beat faster if you need to carry them upstairs !!!!!!

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        • #34
          Re: P3ESR vs SHL5

          Originally posted by Will View Post
          What do you mean by "accomodate" a pair of M40.1? May I ask how big your room is?

          I am considering a pair for my roughly 13' X 17' dedicated listening room. Drywall over frame consruction (ie. lossy). I would place them on the long wall and listen nearfield. Do you think this would be hopeless? Would I be better off with C7-ES3?
          Our little sitting room is around 13' by 15' at most and is not a dedicated audio room. I'm allowed the old Spendors because of their sentimental value to me (my wife doesn't know how much I paid for re-calibrated replacement bass units from one of the main men at Spendor...).

          What you invisage should be marvelous I think. Big speakers apparently work well firing across a room (you'll have to try it out for yourself) and if you get the stand height correct (I suggest an axis at tweeter or between mid and tweeter at lowest, but Alan may have better ideas), you shouldn't go wrong.

          The great thing for me, was being able to play my system the following day and not feel short-changed by what I heard. In my current situation, this is a good thing lol! I love what Alan has achieved with the current range though and hope he continues to do well worldwide.....

          One final comment if I may.. Some three way speakers have all sorts of crossover problems in the midrange, due to the bass and mid drivers overlapping and giving phase problems and a certain "fuzzy vagueness" to the sound. With some expensive active three-ways, this can be dealt with in the active crossover so the drivers match exactly. The Monitor 40.1 exhibits none of this as far as I can see, the benefits of a large bass unit feeding properly into a good quality mid driver coming forth instead, as the two units were designed at the outset to work properly together I think. The comments elsewhere regarding bass issues seem to be interactions in the room as far as I can see, the possible problem being that if the bass was damped any more, it would seem to disappear completely............................ The 40.1's I heard were fairly close to corners too.................

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          • #35
            Re: P3ESR vs SHL5

            I think it really comes down to budget.

            Power requirements for both speakers are probably very close -- I have personally decided to put off my SHL5 purchase.

            Instead, I will pick up a pair of P3ESR because they are more fitting with my budget right now. Maybe in 3-4 years there will be an updated SHL5, and that is when I will pull the trigger.

            The P3's can then be placed somewhere else -- maybe my darkroom? In the meantime, I will be enjoying the music --

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            • #36
              Re: P3ESR vs SHL5

              Don't be surprised if you never feel the need the replace your P3ESR's with any other speaker.

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              • #37
                Re: P3ESR vs SHL5

                Originally posted by Teuton View Post
                I think it really comes down to budget.

                Power requirements for both speakers are probably very close -- I have personally decided to put off my SHL5 purchase.

                Instead, I will pick up a pair of P3ESR because they are more fitting with my budget right now. Maybe in 3-4 years there will be an updated SHL5, and that is when I will pull the trigger.

                The P3's can then be placed somewhere else -- maybe my darkroom? In the meantime, I will be enjoying the music --
                There is always the excellent 7ES-3, not as large as the HL5 and less expensive. If not, the P3ESR is an outstanding small speaker which does most things really well. It's the only small monitor speaker which makes me smile.

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                • #38
                  Re: P3ESR vs SHL5

                  Originally posted by hifi_dave View Post
                  There is always the excellent 7ES-3, not as large as the SHL5 and less expensive. If not, the P3ESR is an outstanding small speaker which does most things really well. It's the only small monitor speaker which makes me smile.
                  C7's are great, but I eventually want to get the SHL5's 2-3 years from now, and the P3ESR's are perfect for my room size and budget now. Furthermore, they will be perfect for a smaller room in the future--I don't intend on selling them.

                  If I couldn't have the HL5 then I would for sure pick up the C7's. Be that as it may, the SHL5's will be my last pair of speakers.

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                  • #39
                    Re: P3ESR vs SHL5

                    Originally posted by hifi_dave View Post
                    There is always the excellent 7ES-3, not as large as the HL5 and less expensive.
                    Not just less expensive, but to my ears, it sounds more neutral / better. I really hope AS plans to "refresh" the SHL5 next... to bring it more in line with the other Harbeths.

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                    • #40
                      Re: P3ESR vs SHL5

                      During the shoot-out between SHL5 and C7ES3 I remembered that I preferred the latter more due to its quicker pace and livelier dynamics. Nevertheless I chose the SHL5 in the end as I wanted a bigger box that can give me the scale, just like what the M40.1 does in the bass department that the other speakers fail to follow. Although I have not listened to the P3ESR, I was informed that this diminutive speaker sounded quite different from the the SHL5. One of my friend mentioned this speaker is something really special with a wonderful, warm and organic sound that is beguiling. If the little P3ESR sounded incredibly good, I can just imagine how a *bigger* P3ESR in the form of the SHL5 will sound like. In this sense I am intrigued if a revised SHL5 based on the new P3ESR(and C7ES-3) will be due soon.

                      Any leaks? It would be amazing if the SHL5 that is already quite superb on its own can be improved further to sound like a bigger P3ESR(that was said to be a class act).

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                      • #41
                        Re: P3ESR vs SHL5

                        I personally found the 40.1 and P3ESR had definite similarities - so much so that if one were to enter the room with the P3ESR's playing and sited next to the 40.1's, one could be very easily fooled that the bigger ones were playing if the music wasn't playing too loudly.

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                        • #42
                          Re: P3ESR vs SHL5

                          Originally posted by ryder View Post
                          ...Any leaks? It would be amazing if the SHL5 that is already quite superb on its own can be improved further to sound like a bigger P3ESR (that was said to be a class act).
                          Folks I can again state the position on this so that we are all completely singing from the same hymn sheet.

                          Developing the P3ESR was a completely exhausting, all-consuming labour of love. It took four years of minutely documented work, interrupted during the middle years by the urgent need to develop the M40.1 Harbeth-made woofer, then M40.1 complete system (because the supply of M40's bought-in woofer unexpectedly ceased). During the last year or so, I had to concentrate on the P3ESR and some other self-contained projects and have had to prioritise these technical jobs over all my other duties as Managing Director. So there is a backlog of office-related, administrative work which I'm catching-up on. So, I do not have the mental stamina at this time to take on any new, unplanned major development tasks, such as looking at the SHL5. In short - I'm enjoying the break from development work, rebuilding my mental reserves to be able to see issues afresh. It's just not healthy to be too close to the coal face all year long - rather akin to an artist living and working in an art gallery, surrounded by magnificent portraits yet expected to produce something fresh and fantastic every single day: not a healthy situation.

                          Fortunately for me - and all of us - my excellent production staff, and hard working sales channels have not only kept the orders flowing in to us, but we are enjoying record sales. This has allowed me to leave almost all of the day-to-day running in Production Manager Andy's capable hands without any of the usual worries that tend to impinge upon small businesses.
                          Alan A. Shaw
                          Designer, owner
                          Harbeth Audio UK

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                          • #43
                            Re: P3ESR vs SHL5

                            Originally posted by A.S. View Post
                            Folks I can again state the position on this so that we are all completely singing from the same hymn sheet.

                            Developing the P3ESR was a completely exhausting, all-consuming labour of love. It took four years of minutely documented work, interrupted during the middle years by the urgent need to develop the M40.1 Harbeth-made woofer, then M40.1 complete system (because the supply of M40's bought-in woofer unexpectedly ceased). During the last year or so, I had to concentrate on the P3ESR and some other self-contained projects and have had to prioritise these technical jobs over all my other duties as Managing Director. So there is a backlog of office-related, administrative work which I'm catching-up on. So, I do not have the mental stamina at this time to take on any new, unplanned major development tasks, such as looking at the SHL5. In short - I'm enjoying the break from development work, rebuilding my mental reserves to be able to see issues afresh. It's just not healthy to be too close to the coal face all year long - rather akin to an artist living and working in an art gallery, surrounded by magnificent portraits yet expected to produce something fresh and fantastic every single day: not a healthy situation.

                            Fortunately for me - and all of us - my excellent production staff, and hard working sales channels have not only kept the orders flowing in to us, but we are enjoying record sales. This has allowed me to leave almost all of the day-to-day running in Production Manager Andy's capable hands without any of the usual worries that tend to impinge upon small businesses.

                            I think this is a very positive thing. When the time comes for you to re-visit the HL5, you will be prepared to pour your labor and love into it like you have the P3ESR, C7-ES3, 40.1, etc. This can only guarantee the best product possible--after all, it takes time and energy.

                            Good luck Alan, and thanks for the wonderful products!

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                            • #44
                              Re: P3ESR vs SHL5

                              Originally posted by Teuton View Post
                              I think this is a very positive thing. When the time comes for you to re-visit the HL5, you will be prepared to pour your labor and love into it like you have the P3ESR, C7-ES3, 40.1, etc. This can only guarantee the best product possible--after all, it takes time and energy.

                              Good luck Alan, and thanks for the wonderful products!
                              Anyway, I can't imagine the SHL5 being improved upon unless it sported a completely new speaker design. The SHL5 has this completely unscrewed-with natural sound, just organic. It breathes like no other. I've listened to the P3Esr and the M.40.1, and was floored, but the Shl5 has this strange little involving magic that gives a certain appeal over the others ...

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                              • #45
                                Re: P3ESR vs SHL5

                                Hello Hoople,

                                You have really hit the nail on the head when you stated that the SHL 5 has a strange little involving magic. That observation really sums it up for me, and likely for a lot of other SHL 5 owners as well.

                                I know that this question lacks relevance but I am just curious. What amp are you using ?

                                Thanks - Bob

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