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SHL5 or C7 ES-3, good matching with Luxman L505u?

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  • SHL5 or C7 ES-3, good matching with Luxman L505u?

    Because this is my first post on this forum I’d like to say hello from Romania to all the fans of Harbeth!

    I have discovered this site few times ago, looking for some Harbeth speakers to replace my Spendors S8e. I’d like to hear SHL 5 or Compact 7 ES-3. Unfortunately, I have no possibility to hear these speakers in Romania; there is no local dealer. In spite of this, I have a strange feeling that these Harbeth speakers could be a more matching (maybe the best) partner for my Luxman L505u + DU-50. In this context I would appreciate very much some opinions or personal experiences which can help me to come at a decision.
    Thanks!

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    Re: SHL5 or C7 ES-3, good matching with Luxman L505u?

    I use the 505U with SHL5's and I think it is a really fantastic combination, the best I have heard with the SHL5's (but that is only because I haven't heard the 590AII
    You may know that your Lux source and amp + 7es3's has been getting one of the Stereophile reviewers excited the last few months. I am not one who puts too much store by reviews, but in this case I can understand why!

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    • #3
      Re: SHL5 or C7 ES-3, good matching with Luxman L505u?

      Thanks for your reply! I know that review in Stereophile; this is one reason for which I am looking now for Harbeth! Even if I also don’t trust too much to reviews, I know very well how that Luxman combo sounds because I have it! I’d almost choose Harbeth with my eyes closed; nevertheless I am interested to know owners opinions. Thanks!

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      • #4
        Tudor, I think you will find the combination very special indeed. More than one person has commented that the Lux + Harbeth combo sounds like they were made/voiced for each other. Just so musical... the difficult decision you will have is what Harbeth speaker to go for

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        • #5
          Hey there Tudor,

          The Luxman and Harbeth combination seems to work well. Personally, I have paired my C7ES-3s with Luxman L550AII and a Luxman D-06 CD/SACD Player.
          The Luxman sound has fast,deep and rythmic bass drive and the CD player also shows this trait. There seems to be a signature where the bass frequencies gives warmth, speed/pace and control. The amp is also a powerful beast even for 20W, it is simply amazing the dynamic and impact this amp produces with the C7s. I am still amazed how much low end impact I am getting from this amp.

          The overall sound has warmth yet it isn't slow, veiled or smeared in its delivery. The beauty with the 550AII is that it has a tubey sound with PRaT added as a bonus. I also run a tube setup as well.

          The D-06 is approaching the effortless sound that vinyl produces. It can do micro detail and air. The decay is back which I thought can only be had with a turntable setup. Perhaps this is the difference between a Delta-Sigma DAC (my ex CD player had this DAC) vs PCM??? OR perhaps the discreet analogue output of the player? I don't know - but this D-06 has brought back my faith in the digital format. I'm also hoping to sample some SACD soon for the hell of it!

          The 505u will probably have the same sonic signature I've mentioned above with its dynamic ability to punch some rythyms. With a pair of C7s or SHL5s, I think you'll be over the moon with the results. It is a musical combination!

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          • #6
            I use a Luxman 550IIa with HL5s, and it's pretty heavenly. I've heard the HL5s with loads of different amps and price points and set-ups; seperates, tubes etc ... The Luxman-Harbeth is my fave. I never tried the 505u at home, tho, but i've heard it with Harbeths at the local dealer. Based on that, I'd recommend it highly.

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            • #7
              Many thanks to all of you! Your replies are a very appreciated assistance for me. They really confirm my own opinion and make me go almost 100% for Harbeth speakers as one of the best partners for my Luxmans. As tozen said, I would have one more difficult decision: what Harbeth to go for? Even if my room is not so big (5.5x4.3x2.5 m) I think that SHL5 would be a very good choice that will put an end to my upgrades for a long period…

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              • #8
                I am considering a Luxman L-505u integrated amplifier to feed a pair of Harbeth SHL5. My only concern is that if I buy such a amp, I will have to use it with a 1000W voltage transformer to convert electricity in Canada (110~120V) to 100V. What do I need to know about such a use of a voltage transformer?

                Sebastien

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Sebastien View Post
                  I am considering a Luxman L-505u integrated amplifier to feed a pair of Harbeth SHL5. My only concern is that if I buy such a amp, I will have to use it with a 1000W voltage transformer to convert electricity in Canada (110~120V) to 100V. What do I need to know about such a use of a voltage transformer?

                  Sebastien
                  Hi Sebastien, I'm not sure why you think you'd need a line transformer to run the Luxman ?
                  There is a North American distributor for Luxman ( On A Higher Note) run by Philip O'Hanlan who is very passionate about both his music, and the products he chooses to represent. The products are configured for North American voltages.
                  http://http://www.onahighernote.com/luxman/?c=8

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                  • #10
                    Hi Double D,

                    I had the chance to met Philip O'Hanlan last week-end at the SSI show here in Montreal. A true gentleman. I had pleasure to discuss with him. He was looking for an audio store here in Montreal to sell Luxman product. Actually, there is no one selling Luxman product in the Province of Quebec.

                    At that time, I can buy Luxman from the USA ($3700 USD for a L-505u) or from Japan with Audio Cubes 2 ($2500 USD for the L-505u). This is the japanese version who comes with the voltage transformer.

                    I ask my brother who has a little experience in electronic and electricity. He told me that he sees no problem to use such voltage transformer. At least, he says that it can stabilize the electricity.

                    Second opinion are welcome!

                    Sebastien

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                    • #11
                      Hi, what is the difference in the Luxman amplifier lineup? can anybody shed some lights on them..
                      L509u
                      L590AII
                      L507u
                      L550AII
                      L505u the ultimate model..

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                      • #12
                        Hi Tudor,

                        You did not mention about your room size and budget, i'll suggest that you choose 1 that fits your room size.
                        Either a 5 or 7 will sound great...they need some room to breathe.

                        Good luck

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                        • #13
                          Hi Tudor,

                          My apologies, did not notice you'd indicated your room size in one of your reply.
                          A C7ES3 seems a good fit for your room

                          Have fun...

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Sebastien View Post

                            ...

                            At that time, I can buy Luxman from the USA ($3700 USD for a L-505u) or from Japan with Audio Cubes 2 ($2500 USD for the L-505u). This is the japanese version who comes with the voltage transformer.

                            I ask my brother who has a little experience in electronic and electricity. He told me that he sees no problem to use such voltage transformer. At least, he says that it can stabilize the electricity.

                            Second opinion are welcome!

                            Sebastien
                            Hi Sebastien:

                            I looked at the Audio Cubes 2 website and noticed that their transformer converts both North American and European voltages down to 100 VAC, which is the Japanese standard. I imagine that that means that the transformer they supply is bigger than it needs to be for your purpose, since North American and Japanese voltages aren't actually that far apart. I almost wonder if a Japanese spec unit would run in North America without a transformer: I've had Japanese friends do that with various electrical appliances, without any noticeably bad results. Not that I'm recommending it necessarily: it's too much money to take chances with. But it might be worth doing a little more research.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by coredump View Post
                              Hi, what is the difference in the Luxman amplifier lineup? can anybody shed some lights on them..
                              L509u
                              L590AII
                              L507u
                              L550AII
                              L505u the ultimate model..
                              Hi coredump, the ones with "A" run in class A mode, the rest in AB i think, the higher the number, the more $$$.

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