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  • #31
    Re: HL-3P-ES for a modest room/system?

    Originally posted by Rabbit View Post
    Hello, I am thinking of trying the HL-3P-ES for my small room (18' x 15' approx.), to be driven by a Naim CD5X and Nait 5i amp. My ears are very sensitive to high-frequency sounds (I don't like "brightness") and I like accurate, "present" midrange (voice, flute, piano etc.) Big bass isn't an issue - I have neighbors who I'd like to stay on good terms with. How might this work out?

    Cheers,
    Rabbit
    Wonderfully! They're very fine 'speakers, which match your requirements perfectly. They can be easily driven by 20 or so watts, and they're completely non-fatiguing, crystal clear and very musical. They're also very handsome to look at....

    David

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    • #32
      Re: HL-3P-ES for a modest room/system?

      I have the feeling you won't be disappointed!

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      • #33
        Re: HL-3P-ES for a modest room/system?

        How do you think the HL-3P-ES would do with rock music? (Oasis, Led Zeppelin, Queen etc.)

        Although I do listen to a fair amount of rock, I tend to be less frightened by jazz, Bossa Nova and baroque flute concerti.

        Cheers,
        Rabbit

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        • #34
          Re: "Which Harbeth is best for me?" New users ask ...

          Rabbit, don't be afraid to use Harbeths for Rock music. I feel there is an unfair view in some circles that Harbeths are unsuitable for rock, and I totally disagree with that. I listen to 95% rock music and find that my C7s are outstanding . Oasis is my favorite band and Harbeths can give you every bit of Liam that you can handle.

          If anything I feel that Harbeths are better than many speakers for rock because their relaxed nature allows me to get a bit aggressive with the volume without the massive fatigue that other speakers give.

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          • #35
            Re: "Which Harbeth is best for me?" New users ask ...

            Hi my 1st post in Harbeth forum.

            Presently looking for a Harbeth.
            My room size is 6m(L) x 3m(W), will the SHL5 be too big for the hall.
            I listen to mostly vocals.

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            • #36
              Re: "Which Harbeth is best for me?" New users ask ...

              Welcome. Many/most SHL5s are used in a room that size, or smaller.
              Alan A. Shaw
              Designer, owner
              Harbeth Audio UK

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              • #37
                Re: "Which Harbeth is best for me?" New users ask ...

                Hello again, Rabbit here...

                ...Hurrrah!! I'm hopping down to Portland (Stereotypes Audio) to hear some Harbeths (and some BBC-style Spendors, truth be told) on Friday; I'll be hearing the Compact 7, Monitor 30 (well, can't afford that one)...pity they don't have the HL-P3ES, that's the truly Rabbit-sized one.

                Finally, will get to hear the sound I've read about so much! Will be taking my chequebook along, as well as CDs of the Brandenburgs, Led Zeppelin II (look out woofers!), some Moody Blues (Rabbit's favourite), Beatles, Ravi Shankar, Chet Baker, Pink Floyd, Beethoven, Bill Frisell...

                Cheers,
                Rabbit

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                • #38
                  Re: "Which Harbeth is best for me?" New users ask ...

                  Excellent, I'm looking forward to hearing your impressions. Your electronics are almost the same as mine (CD5x to be delivered on monday, FC2, Nait 5)

                  Why no Oasis on your music list?

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                  • #39
                    Re: "Which Harbeth is best for me?" New users ask ...

                    Originally posted by vaughn3d View Post
                    Why no Oasis on your music list?
                    Good point; Stop The Clocks will be in my CD bag.

                    Best,
                    Rabbit

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                    • #40
                      !!! I have HL C7 ES3's!!!

                      Well.

                      Rabbit's done it.

                      HL C7 ES3's (#'s C7 221R/L) are now in my little space, spinning the Beatles (which is a good way to start, innit?) I got 'em reasonably, as they were demos at the shop, and are missing one of the little plastic Harbeth badges from the upper left corner of one speaker :-( (does Harbeth sell replacements?)

                      I tried some little Spendors at the shop yesterday but, although they were good, when I heard the C7's I fell over. Hearing music through those, in that room, was like seeing a 70mm print of Lawrence Of Arabia in the theatre, as opposed to watching it on a little CRT television. With no fatigue at all, running off Naim gear (like what I have).

                      My only problem is, they're on wobbly old 18" ADS stands here at home, so some of the bass and big-ness is missing. Shopping for stands begins today!

                      Cheers,
                      Rabbit

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                      • #41
                        Re: "Which Harbeth is best for me?" New users ask ...

                        Congratulations, welcome to the club

                        http://www.skylanstands.com/index.htm

                        By the way, have you heard the new Oasis song? "Falling Down"? It's a classic Noel vocal and is fantastic. You can get it on itunes.

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                        • #42
                          Re: "Which Harbeth is best for me?" New users ask ...

                          Originally posted by vaughn3d View Post
                          Congratulations, welcome to the club

                          http://www.skylanstands.com/index.htm

                          By the way, have you heard the new Oasis song? "Falling Down"? It's a classic Noel vocal and is fantastic. You can get it on itunes.
                          I listened to it yesterday on the C7's at the shop! Brilliant. Sort of a mutated, "Tomorrow Never Knows"-ish groove.

                          Big Cheers,
                          Rabbit

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                          • #43
                            Crucial questions about...the logo badge!

                            1. I noticed in looking at pix of C7's here and elsewhere, that the Harbeth badge on the speakers' grille is sometimes on the left (the ES3?), sometimes on the right...I saw one where the badges were left and right on a pair. Is this just a difference in versions?

                            2. I'm missing the badge on my 'right' speaker (they're ex-dem, dented but lovable), and I've messaged the firm about a replacement. I'm presuming that the badge, when I get it, goes on the upper left corner. Is this so?

                            3. What sort of adhesive or other gooey stuff should I use to stick it on the grille-cloth?

                            Cheers,
                            Rabbit

                            p.s. Oh, these ES3 speakers sound rather good. Fatigue non-existant. I'm still adjusting my ears to the sound, in this room; on some CDs, things sound (initially) a bit 'veiled', and then I notice I'm merely hearing the frequency spread and detail in a more balanced way. This is because, I suspect, I'd been assaulting my ears with the tilted-up, 'forward' sound of 'audiophile' speakers for years...

                            The 'theme' of Compact 7's? "Welcome; come in and listen to some music..."

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                            • #44
                              Re: "Which Harbeth is best for me?" New users ask ...

                              One of my badges fell off and I used this product to fix it, works well.

                              http://www.officedepot.com/a/product...unting-Tape-x/

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                              • #45
                                Re: Crucial questions about...the logo badge!

                                The badges are in the upper left on the left speaker and upper right on the right speaker.

                                Use a double sided carpet tape to re-stick them. Make sure the tape is very thin as you don't want it to show at all. Also I have found to do the best job you should remove the grill and press from behind to get good adhesion. The badges have a recession and unless you press the cloth against if from the inside, the tape will only adhere to the edges and the badge will fall off again in a few weeks.

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