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Feb. 2018
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new Compact 7 in the near future?

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  • new Compact 7 in the near future?

    Dear All,

    as I'd like to buy a pair of new C7-es3, I'd like to know if a new edition of this model is planned in the near future.

    thank you,
    kind regards,
    David

    {Moderator's comment: I have looked at the company plan for the first half of 2017, Harbeth's 40th anniversary, and there is no mention of any changes to the C7ES3.}

  • #2
    Future proof!

    Whatever happens in the future, may I note that no Harbeth model is immediately out-dated by a new version. You could go back to the original Compact and it won't sound in the slightest bit terrible in comparison I think. Heck, I still love the HL III, which took the previous generations and got it more consistent and the original P3 always sounded lots better than the equivalent LS3/5A.

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    • #3
      Thanks!

      Originally posted by Airdavid View Post
      Dear All,

      as I'd like to buy a pair of new C7-es3, I'd like to know if a new edition of this model is planned in the near future.

      thank you,
      kind regards,
      David

      {Moderator's comment: I have looked at the company plan for the first half of 2017, Harbeth's 40th anniversary, and there is no mention of any changes to the C7ES3.}
      Thank you, Moderator!

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      • #4
        Having had a great demo of the C7es3 vs the SHL5+ the other day, I sincerely hope that the C7 is NOT updated any time soon to a newer more 'open', 'modern sounding' version, as it is exactly it's sweet, smooth, forgiving and very very natural, above all musical presentation which means I'll be ordering the C7 over it's bigger brother. It simply had a magic, and drew me into the music more while the SHL5+, while great, simply wasn't as enjoyable or captivating emotionally, to me. I understand others may feel differently. I've owned very technically advanced, and very expensive, speakers which don't possess this magic involvement factor. They are a little gem and long may they continue, IMO!

        I had the great fortune, a couple of hours after the demo, of being present at the last night of La Traviata at the Royal Opera House. It was a special evening, one of those performances where there's an extra degree of magic from the performers, where one feels genuinely a part of the drama unfolding on stage, and many goosebump moments as Verdi's score swells achingly at the huge emotional turning points. Yes, of course, Traviata is always beautiful, but this was above and beyond. Well that was the same kind of magic the C7 managed to somehow convey - it was remarkably close to the essence of this kind of experience.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by JamesW View Post
          Having had a great demo of the C7es3 vs the SHL5+ the other day, I sincerely hope that the C7 is NOT updated any time soon to a newer more 'open', 'modern sounding' version, as it is exactly it's sweet, smooth, forgiving and very very natural, above all musical presentation which means I'll be ordering the C7 over it's bigger brother. It simply had a magic, and drew me into the music more while the SHL5+, while great, simply wasn't as enjoyable or captivating emotionally, to me.
          If it makes any difference to you, the US distributor for Harbeth has indicated that a special anniversary edition of the C7 is expected later this year:
          http://www.fidelisav.com/harbeth-spe...rsary-edition/

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          • #6
            Thanks for the heads-up!

            That would be an interesting demo, to listen to the two side by side. WBT Nextgen binding posts would be nice. I've experienced changing interconnect RCA plugs to Nextgen and they do seem to open out the sound a little. Whether the same would be true in a higher current speaker application, I don't know. I suspect the difference with those and the caps would be appreciable but subtle. However, at this level, sometimes subtle nuances can make all the difference.

            I think if they're released by the time I'm ready to purchase, I'll give them a listen, if not I won't worry to wait for them as the standard C7s sound wonderful already.

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            • #7
              Any anniversary model would be more about pride of ownership rather than about changes to the sound reproduction, if any sonic difference at all.

              JamesW gets the essence of the quality of the wonderful C7ES3 right, in my opinion. I own two pairs: one set for our cabin, and one set doing service as front speakers in an otherwise modest home theater system (no center, just phanthom).

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              • #8
                Anyone know if an anniversary model of the C7 is coming? Doesn't seem to be appearing yet and we're approaching autumn...!

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                • #9
                  Hi everyone
                  I just wanted to step in and clarify that there will not be a C7 anniversary model this year. There will be further details of our plans in the Autumn.
                  Emma Smith
                  Brand Manager
                  Harbeth Audio UK

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