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How would a 1999 Compact 7 stand up against a new ES3?

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  • How would a 1999 Compact 7 stand up against a new ES3?

    I'm actually a Monitor Audio GX100 owner but have always hankered after a pair of Harbeth speakers.

    Anyways, most of them are beyond my budget but I have seen a pair of early Compact 7 speakers for sale. It says "Design 1999" on the rear but I guess they could have been made later than that?

    Unfortunately I won't have the opportunity to listen to these. Can anyone comment on how they might compare to the sound of my uber-hi-tech Monitor Audios and also, given i can't find many reviews of them but I can of the latest ES3 models, how they might compare to the newer versions?

    Is there anything i should be cautious about in buying an "old" speaker? Can they wear out in any way?!

    Thanks

  • #2
    Yes they can and do wear out, so it is not just an issue of the newer models being a better design. The part most prone to deterioration seems to be the cone surround. If this is indeed a 1999 speaker or thereabouts I would personally avoid it.

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    • #3
      I think a 17 year speaker should be fine. There ought to be plenty of life left in it. The difficulty for second hand buyers is knowing how the speaker has been used (or abused) over its lifetime. There is merit in buying second hand if funds are tight. It is for the buyer to decide whether the vintage gives enough of a discount on the price to take a punt.

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      • #4
        Thanks for the comments. On balance I think it's probably best to sit tight and try to save a few more pennies!

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