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"This Harbeth User Group (HUG) is the Manufacturer's own managed forum dedicated to natural sound from microphone to ear, achievable by recognising and controlling the numerous confounding variables that exist along the audio chain. The Harbeth designer's objective is to make loudspeakers that contribute little of themselves to the music passing through them.

Identifying system components for their sonic neutrality should logically proceed from the interpretation and analysis of their technical, objective performance. Deviations from a flat frequency response at any point along the signal chain from microphone to ear is likely to give an audible sonic personality to the system at your ear; this includes the significant contribution of the listening room itself. To accurately reproduce the recorded sound as Harbeth speakers are designed to do, you would be best advised to select system components (sources, electronics, cables and so on) that do not color the sound before it reaches the speakers.

For example, the design of and interaction between the hifi amplifier and its speaker load can and will alter the sound balance of what you hear. This may or may not be what you wish to achieve, but any deviation from a flat response is a step away from a truly neutral system. HUG has extensively discussed amplifiers and the methods for seeking the most objectively neutral among a plethora of product choices.

HUG specialises in making complex technical matters simple to understand, getting at the repeatable facts in a post-truth environment where objectivity is increasingly ridiculed. With our heritage of natural sound and pragmatic design, HUG is not the best place to discuss non-Harbeth audio components selected, knowingly or not, to introduce a significantly personalised system sound. For that you should do your own research and above all, make the effort to visit an Authorised Dealer and listen to your music at your loudness on your loudspeakers through the various offerings there. There is really no on-line substitute for time invested in a dealer's showroom because 'tuning' your system to taste is such a highly personal matter. Our overall objective here is to empower readers to make the factually best procurement decisions in the interests of lifelike music at home.

Please consider carefully how much you should rely upon and be influenced by the subjective opinions of strangers. Their hearing acuity and taste will be different to yours, as will be their motives and budget, their listening distance, loudness and room treatment, not necessarily leading to appropriate equipment selection and listening satisfaction for you. Always keep in mind that without basic test equipment, subjective opinions will reign unchallenged. With test equipment, universal facts and truths are exposed.

If some of the science behind faithfully reproducing the sound intended by the composer, score, conductor and musicians over Harbeth speakers is your thing, this forum has been helping with that since 2006. If you just want to share your opinions and photos with others then the unrelated Harbeth Speakers Facebook page http://bit.ly/2FEgoAy may be for you. Either way, welcome to the world of Harbeth!"


Feb. 2018
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About sound and match for 7esc3

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  • About sound and match for 7esc3

    1 week ago ibought 7 es3

    i tried it with several amps supernait2, sudgen ,audio avm, arcam, audiomat

    its intresting but only arcam and audiomat plays with it. on the other hand naim super nait audioavm and sudgen dont plays with it ( harsh or boomy sound and midbass is not enougt) my room is 35 m2

    İm waiting your helps

  • #2
    Good amplifiers should not sound that different, if at all. The snag is some have a load dependent frequency response (but Harbeth speakers are a benign load compared to many) or a very high input sensitivity, What source are you using? Short of that, how about a 2x100 watt Yamaha, Pioneer, Onkyo, Denon etc instead of all this boutique stuff? In practical terms, I would go for an amplifier with enough digital inputs. Or a receiver like the new all singing and dancing Yamaha RN 803d.

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    • #3
      First of all - welcome to the HUG.

      As you have found, amplifiers do sound different because of various things such as power output, input overload, distortions, noise, output impedance etc. The differences aren't as obvious as differences between speakers but still there. You should go with whichever of the amps pleases you most and which has the facilities, build and backup you require.

      To your list I would add the Rega amps as they are sensible, reasonably priced, reliable and with great backup.

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      • #4
        If the front of the speaker cabinets are not even with the front edge of the coffee tables, the way the sound is dispersed by the drivers would be affected, I believe. Can't say specifically how this would affect the bass.

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        • #5
          I'm strongly of the opinion that this is a situation where the advice and experience of the local dealer is an absolute must-take. I can see nothing but confusion and worse, the prospect of spending more and more time and money tinkering with the issues, all of which is distraction from musical enjoyment.

          Perhaps we can have an update after a dealer visit to the user's home, and with some photos of the setup.
          Alan A. Shaw
          Designer, owner
          Harbeth Audio UK

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