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Which smaller Harbeth for recording studio

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  • Which smaller Harbeth for recording studio

    Hi.
    I am considering replacing my Genelec 8040a monitor speakers for a pair of Harbeths. These will be used as near field monitors in my fairly small roomed recording studio. Which model, (The best suited seem to be the M20 and P3ESR) suits the recording studio environment best. My reason for changing would be to achieve a less fatiguing sound especially during mixing. I play and record acoustic music professionally and need an accurate monitor with broad frequency range.
    Thanks for any advice..

  • #2
    Re: Which smaller Harbeth for recording studio

    P3ESR is your answer. Perhaps a black ash pair?
    Harbeth PR,
    Harbeth UK

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    • #3
      Re: Which smaller Harbeth for recording studio

      I think the P3ESR would be an awesome studio minimonitor that should suit your needs well. But unlike the Genelec, they're not active so be aware that you'll need a good quality integrated or power amp to drive them. It doesn't have to be super-expensive, but you'll need something. You'll need decent speaker cables as well.

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      • #4
        Re: Which smaller Harbeth for recording studio

        P3ESR is the one. Masses of natural information, totally without fatigue.

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        • #5
          Re: Which smaller Harbeth for recording studio

          Thanks for the responses,
          it sounds like the P3ESR is the one that you recommend. I shall go and audition a pair. As for amps, i was thinking of one of my Quads, either the 303 or 405-2...

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          • #6
            Re: Which smaller Harbeth for recording studio

            Much prefer the 405 Mk1 or Mk2.
            Harbeth PR,
            Harbeth UK

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            • #7
              Re: Which smaller Harbeth for recording studio

              So is there no difference in balance etc between the monitor and domestic versions (other than the finish and handles on the bigger models)?

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              • #8
                Re: Which smaller Harbeth for recording studio

                Correct: no difference in balance.

                I amazed myself today. I have not listened to hi-fi at all since I completed the design of the P3ESR back in the spring. I am fully committed to long overdue commercial activities in Harbeth that have been on hold - such as digitising my engineering archive. Today, we made a serious listening test on a digital black box which you will hear more about next year. I had two pairs of speakers to hand - a pair of M40.1 and a pair of P3ESR. The supplier could not believe how similar they measured after an in-room response check (except in the bass of course, proportionate to their different sizes) and was amazed how similar in tone these very differently sized speakers sounded.

                In fact, I'd go so far as to say that I could have switched between them and invited the listener back into the room blindfolded and he wouldn't be immediately able to say which ones he was listening to. As I didn't do those sort of comparisons during the P3ESR design process it was fascinating for me to see how consistent I am!
                Alan A. Shaw
                Designer, owner
                Harbeth Audio UK

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                • #9
                  Re: Which smaller Harbeth for recording studio

                  Ok, I am beginning to get a sense of things now. The domestic versions of the monitor speakers are identical to the professional ones except for finish, which makes them cheaper...the Monitor 20 is the same as the old P3ES 2, and the HL5, Compact 7 and New P3ESR do not have a professional version available.

                  So unless the P3ESR becomes available in professional guise, for a small near-field monitor, i have to decide between that and the professional Monitor 20, to decide whether there is enough difference between them for the significant extra cost of the domestic P3ESR.

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                  • #10
                    Re: Which smaller Harbeth for recording studio

                    Um, I see your situation.

                    The price etc. of the P3ESR is fixed as we have to make this bass unit in-house which has increased costs somewhat. Sound to me like what you need is a nearfield with a badge on it marked "Monitor 20.1" in a nice black ash.
                    Alan A. Shaw
                    Designer, owner
                    Harbeth Audio UK

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                    • #11
                      Re: Which smaller Harbeth for recording studio

                      Good idea, when can i expect delivery?

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                      • #12
                        Re: Which smaller Harbeth for recording studio

                        When you order them we can give you a date ..... if you are within striking distance of one of our dealers then they'd be delighted to nego with us over this. We're talking with outside broadcast truck users over just this idea now.
                        Alan A. Shaw
                        Designer, owner
                        Harbeth Audio UK

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                        • #13
                          Re: Which smaller Harbeth for recording studio

                          Alan i'm sorry, thought you were joking.
                          I dont see an M20.1 on the website. Is this going to be a revised M20 then, but not with the Bass Unit of the P3ESR?

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                          • #14
                            Re: Which smaller Harbeth for recording studio

                            No joking here. Not over product development.

                            Er ..... following your previous comments that the 'pro versions are basically re-boxed domestic versions' then it follows that the "M20.1" would of course be built from the 5" RADIAL? unit etc. of the P3ESR. We had plans for this next year, but I guess we could bring those forward as we are receiving serious interest from OB users now. Those guys need great bass and imaging, a natural sound but in the smallest possible size; the P3ESR fits the bill perfectly. Price is not an issue for them - performance is.

                            Incidentally, I heard a rumour today that the P3ESRs are being used (probably as we speak) as the nearfields to make the Cheryl Cole Christmas special.
                            Alan A. Shaw
                            Designer, owner
                            Harbeth Audio UK

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                            • #15
                              Re: Which smaller Harbeth for recording studio

                              Well thats interesting to me as i am recording and mixing many hours a week. Will those speakers then become the professional version of the P3esr, same speaker different finish. BY the way, what do you mean by OB users?

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