HUG - here for all audio enthusiasts

The Harbeth User Group is the primary channel for public communication with Harbeth's HQ. If you have a 'scientific mind' and are curious about how the ear works, how it can lead us to make the right - and wrong - audio equipment decisions, and about the technical ins and outs of audio equipment, how it's designed and what choices the designer makes, then the factual Science of Audio sub-forum area of HUG is your place. The objective methods of comparing audio equipment under controlled conditions has been thoroughly examined here on HUG and elsewhere and should be accessible to non-experts and able to be tried-out at home without deep technical knowledge. From a design perspective, today's award winning Harbeths could not have been designed any other way.

Alternatively, if you just like chatting about audio and subjectivity rules for you, then the Subjective Soundings area is you. If you are quite set in your subjectivity, then HUG is likely to be a bit too fact based for you, as many of the contributors have maximised their pleasure in home music reproduction by allowing their head to rule their heart. If upon examination we think that Posts are better suited to one sub-forum than than the other, they will be redirected during Moderation, which is applied throughout the site.

Questions and Posts about, for example, 'does amplifier A sounds better than amplifier B' or 'which speaker stands or cables are best' are suitable for the Subjective Soundings area only, although HUG is really not the best place to have these sort of purely subjective airings.

The Moderators' decision is final in all matters and Harbeth does not necessarily agree with the contents of any member contributions, especially in the Subjective Soundings area, and has no control over external content.

That's it! Enjoy!

{Updated Oct. 2017}
See more
See less

Report on the Model 30.1 at the 2017 LA audio show

  • Filter
  • Time
  • Show
Clear All
new posts

  • Report on the Model 30.1 at the 2017 LA audio show

    Report on the 30.1 displayed at the 2017 Los Angeles, California (USA) audio show:

  • #2
    Originally posted by IMF+TDL View Post
    Report on the 30.1 displayed at the 2017 Los Angeles, California (USA) audio show:
    none of the ancillaries were considered 'ultra expensive' but the TT and amp configuration were still around $18,000 and the digtal route was $21,000 before tax!

    Maybe my speakers still have some extra untapped potential, the ancillaries before the 7's and 3's are literally $600 total, that includes cables and interconnects, part of me would love to think I can achieve better sound with just a couple of changes (I may well have issues with impedance matching amp and passive volume control but would that actually be audible??) and but part of me also wonders if in a blind test would I be able to differentiate my $600 vs their $21000 digital set ups.

    I pretty much have a Frankenstein's monster of ancillaries cobbled together that got there from a kind of evolution rather than design, maybe once I really have got used to the signature of the speakers I might pop in a new box and see if it makes any difference.

    Getting to know my C7ES3


    • #3
      It is nice to hear that the M30.1 is liked (and quite rightly so), but the spin on the electronics and source is indeed bizarre. I could easily think of a rather superior source and amplification that would cost only some 10%.


      • #4
        In the past, I've made similar observations about the evidently extreme cost of equipment being partnered with Harbeth speakers at various hi-fi shows.
        The rebuttal from A.S. has been to the effect that the exhibiting dealer needs to put on a "show" and likely knows their prospective customers far better than do I.

        Nevertheless, based on the product lines offered by that dealer, my inclination would have been to use an Exposure 3010S2D integrated amplifier (capable of [email protected]Ω and costing ~$2600 w/MM phono board), an Exposure 1010 CD player (~$600), either a Rega RP6 or a Clearaudio Concept turntable (~$1500) and an Ortofon 2M Blue phono cartridge (~$200).
        I would then have advertised it as a complete system for $9995, thereby making the system seem relatively affordable by avoiding the possible shock of a 5-figure price tag.


        • #5
          I've gotten to the point of thinking under $10,000 for a totally sweet audio system is my sweet spot. My version is Rega RP3 with Dynavector 10x5 ($1500), Hegel H160 (used $2200), sony dvd/cd player $100 using digital out to Hegel, Grado phono amp ($500), Harbeth SHL5L+ (bought in the UK for $4500 equivalent) and some various interconnects and speaker wires all for much less than $1,000. I realize that we each have our own values and budgets, but I'd wish there had been a bit more exploration of where some of the value plateaus may be in terms of hifi systems would have been useful in the past. It seems so easy to get caught in the audio nervosa train of feeling the need to steadily upgrade for that added little bit of detail or transparency or cache. When I finally arrived at my Harbeth speakers and HUG I for the first time realized that the biggest difference in the quality of my stereo would be the speakers and that is where I've invested as much as the rest of my system combined. And I love it.


          • #6
            Thanks for sharing the review of the show. Did you also happen to see the review from Stereophile?
            Emma Smith
            Brand Manager
            Harbeth Audio UK


            • #7
              Originally posted by Emma S View Post
              Thanks for sharing the review of the show. Did you also happen to see the review from Stereophile?
              That review, and one other: