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  • Re: Grille removal on Monitor 30

    Have you not seen the videos I made and posted right here on the Harbeth User Group concerning a) the Harbeth DIY paperclip grille puller and the Skylan magnetic one?

    I direct you to the thread "How to safely remove the grilles"

    By the way, the spelling is GRILLE not grill. I've edited your post. Unfortunately, if the word is not spelled correctly when you search the HUG for grille you will not find grill and vice versa.
    Alan A. Shaw
    Designer, owner
    Harbeth Audio UK

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    • Re: Grills

      I edited your post. It is GRILLE not grill. Unfortunately, if the word is not spelled correctly when you search the HUG for grille you will not find grill and vice versa.
      Alan A. Shaw
      Designer, owner
      Harbeth Audio UK

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      • Re: Harbeth Monitor 30 domestic specific

        Thanks. I'm sorry about the spelling. English is not my mother tongue. The grilles are fine. They fit well. They just don't have the logo and I was wandering if in some markets (US) these come w/o grilles or perhaps the previous owner removed them? Is that possible?

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        • Harbeth Monitor 30 and Lavardin IT: best audition of my life

          Dear Harbeth's Friends,

          I'm the happy owner of a SHL5 loudspeaker system. Yesterday I had the chance to have an audition of a Monitor 30, amplified with my Lavardin IT. Well, it was really an experience! From respect to the natural music reproduction this was the best audtion I had in my life!

          I attend many concerts and live music and nothing appered me before so close to these. The piano and the strings were so real, that's unbelivable.

          Everything so rigorous and serene. (as soon as my budget will allow me to do it I'll go on dealing with the M30 from the SHL5).

          Good job boys!

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          • Re: Harbeth Monitor 30 and Lavardin IT

            Originally posted by Vanmar View Post
            Dear Harbeth's Friends, ...From respect to the natural music reproduction this was the best audtion I had in my life!...Good job boys!

            Vanmar,

            So, M30 is better than SHL5? Do you do side by side comparision?

            Pls do remember that your room size, room acoustic, speaker placement .. to name a few also play a part.

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            • Re: Harbeth Monitor 30 domestic specific

              M30 > SHL5 ?

              BTW, what is the different between domestic and non-domestic version?

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              • Re: Harbeth Monitor 30 domestic specific

                Originally posted by coredump View Post
                M30 > SHL5 ?

                BTW, what is the different between domestic and non-domestic version?
                If i am not wrong, main differences lie in the speaker terminals & finishing of the cabinet. Anyway, having heard SHL-5 & M30 side by side, i think i still prefer SHL-5 by a long shot. However, both were driven by modest electronics & i suspect that the M30 is much more demanding in this aspect whereas SHL-5 works practically with any decent amp.

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                • Re: Harbeth Monitor 30 and Lavardin IT

                  Originally posted by Jmohd View Post
                  Vanmar,

                  So, M30 is better than SHL5? Do you do side by side comparision?

                  Pls do remember that your room size, room acoustic, speaker placement .. to name a few also play a part.
                  I never say that something is better than something else in this field.
                  I can just say what I like most.
                  In the room I audioned - 3,5x5m - the M30 sounded in such a way I liked them more than the SHL5, when compared.
                  More natural, not better.

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                  • Re: Harbeth Monitor 30 domestic specific

                    Merry Christmas everybody.

                    I am toying around the idea of getting another Harbeth speaker to add some variety in my music and am looking at the M30 that previously did not push the right buttons. Although my brief audition between the SHL5 and M30 previously revealed the latter to be more shut-in and less open, the M30 does sound more controlled and exhibit better crescendos and transient attack compared to the other two. Sound of instruments on the M30 such as guitar, saxophone and trumpet possess more bite as well. Silent passages on the M30 seem to be pitch black compared to the SHL5 as the crescendos lept forward more prominently from a silent background. The significantly different sonic character of the M30 steered me towards it as the similarities between the SHL5 and C7ES3 are more alike.

                    As an SHL5 owner I would like a 2nd opinion in justifying my decision to go with the M30 and not the C7ES3. The reason I am considering the M30 is because it sounded substantially different compared to the SHL5 whereas the C7ES3 sounded almost similar to the SHL5. I would want a different sounding speaker to add some variety in my listening experience.

                    The other reason I am considering another Harbeth and not other brand of speakers is because after listening to another pair of speaker in my system just recently(I was considering another more dynamic speaker to add some spice in my musical collection ), I seriously don't know whether I can live with other speakers anymore in long-term. No doubt the particular speaker seems to possess excellent transparency, dynamics and high-end extension and has a raw sound to it that sounded pretty darn impressive at first. After about 30 minutes of listening at above average volume levels, my ears started to hurt, buzzed a little, and I then sensed a severe headache coming. I quickly lowered down the volume and listened at below average levels after that but things were not improving. Listening fatigue was high with this speaker. I then switched back to the SHL5 and man, I can't help but keep cranking up the volume and tapping my feet along the beat. Ears don't hurt anymore and headache gone.

                    Certain people may find Harbeths little dull for their tastes, and I can understand that. However, the extremely low listening fatigue of these natural-sounding speakers that promotes endless hours of sheer musical bliss is the key factor that made Harbeths so special IMO. Most people keep coming back to the Harbeths after a while and won't get tired of them.

                    Okay now, M30 or C7ES3? I can seriously settle with any Harbeth and be happy with all of them. However, I can only limit myself to two pairs. Any opinions would be appreciated.

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                    • Re: Harbeth Monitor 30 domestic specific

                      Don't forget the new P3ESR.This little GIANT KILLER give the Compact 7's a real run for the money.To my ears,the P3ESR's sound has a different character then the the 7's or the 5's.

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                      • Re: Harbeth Monitor 30 domestic specific

                        I find myself in a similar situation...I love my C7es2s, but have the opportunity to move to either M30s or SHL5s...wondering which way to go. I cannot imagine owning any other speaker besides Harbeth, at least that makes the decision process a bit easier.

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                        • Re: Harbeth Monitor 30 domestic specific

                          Hello, Ryder and Merry Christmas!

                          My first exposure to Harbeth was through the Compact 7 Es-2's, which I still own and love. As I got involved with this user group and learned more about the history of Harbeth, it became very clear that Alan's inspiration and passion comes from the BBC heritage. It was for this reason as well, that when the opportunity came along to own another pair of Harbeths, I chose the Monitor 30. These are direct descendants of the BBC spec LS-5/9. I suppose this might seem to be an irrational decision-making process, but I wanted a piece of that history. As a professional musician, I knew that a monitor speaker is designed to tell the truth, warts and all, and that I would likely have no regrets...I don't, and never will.

                          The Monitor 30's will be a very complimentary second pair of Harbeths to your SHL 5's, as I feel they are to my Compact 7's. Take the plunge-you won't regret it!

                          Regards!

                          Bob LaBarca
                          State College, PA
                          USA

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                          • Re: Harbeth Monitor 30 domestic specific

                            Hi Bob, Thanks for your thoughts. The odds of the M30 ending up as my 2nd speaker in complementing the SHL5 are high now. Need to figure out the amp later.

                            Drewturner, I do know the P3ESR are excellent speakers having listened to them in a friend's setup. I have three excellent choices in the P3ESR, C7ES3 and M30 but unfortunately can only choose one. I am aware that the P3ESR sounded quite different from both C7ES3 and SHL5 but my very brief audition of the M30 almost convinced me that they sounded *very* different from the rest. In fact, that was the sole reason I scratched the M30 out during my first audition as the speakers didn't sound as open as I wanted them to be. After thinking back, since the M30 sounded quite a bit different from the usual suspects in the C7ES3 and SHL5, I might as well consider them as it doesn't make too much sense going for a speaker that sounded almost similar to the one I already have.

                            I cannot imagine I am now considering another Harbeth speaker. I tried a different speaker, a considerably more dynamic speaker with a lively top-end in an attempt to attain a different sound. I really wanted to like the speaker but all I've got is listening fatigue. After this experience only did I realise I cannot live with other speakers other than a Harbeth. No doubt there will be other speakers that can still appeal to me but I'm not bothered to look anymore. I am truly smitten by the smooth, natural and fatigue free sound of the Harbeth. The crucial element for me is to be able to listen to beautiful music at prolonged periods with zero or minimal listening fatigue. Although I have not listened to everything out there the Harbeths have proven to be able to give me that.

                            I just wonder how many hours a person usually spends on his non-Harbeth-based hifi rig on a typical day, and whether there would be anybody who can emulate some Harbeth owners here who manage to clock 10 hours and beyond that.

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                            • Re: Harbeth Monitor 30 domestic specific

                              Hi Ryder, Merry Christmas. Another brand which you may like to try is Audio Note's ANJ-spe. They are about similar size as M30. They too sound very musical and non-fatiguing.

                              [Admin: May I remind you that this forum is run by Harbeth. It does not exist to promote other products]

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                              • Re: Harbeth Monitor 30 domestic specific

                                Hi ryder,

                                Is it for your second system intended for your previous listening room?

                                IMO, save a little more and get the Ultimate Harbeth - M40.1 and the Super 5 as your second system. You can place the M40.1 in your large living room.

                                As for audionote speakers, they are designed to be placed at the corners for the room.

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