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For example, the design of and interaction between the hifi amplifier and its speaker load can and potentially will alter the sound balance of what you hear. To reproduce the sounds captured by the recording microphones, as Harbeth speakers are designed to do, you would naturally select system components (sources, electronics, cables and so on) that do not color the sound before it reaches the speakers.

Identifying components for their system neutrality should, logically, start with the interpretation and analysis of their technical, objective performance, as any and every deviation from a measurably flat frequency response at any point along the serial chain from microphone to ear is very likely to cause the total system to have an audible sonic personality. That includes the contribution of the listening room itself.

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  • Tug grille

    Don't use anything sharp! Just pinch the fabric between fingers on one of the corners and try to loosen the grille by pulling on the fabric with a fast tug.

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    • Hard disk strong magnet

      Hi,

      if you don't have an importer, you can use any strong magnet (e.g. found in old hard disk or other neodym magnets) to pull the grilles off. But be careful. The magnets in hard disks are VERY strong.

      Peter

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      • Originally posted by hifi_dave View Post
        I know - I was being cryptic !!!

        The full answer should have been - They won't come to any harm and will sound just fine. Just suck it and see !!!
        Thanks Dave!!

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        • New Harbeth Owner

          Hello All,

          I am getting my brand new Harbeth Monitor 30s tomorrow. Anniversary edition in tiger ebony.

          So far I am enjoying my demo M30s very much. Most relaxing sound in Hi Fi. Right now just have a cheap Marantz receiver but will eventually upgrade to Naim.


          Martin Bauer

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          • Monitor 30

            Welcome to Planet Harbeth, Martin.

            As a Monitor 30 owner myself, I can assure you that you will be continually amazed and delighted with the way these things just disappear and provide extraordinary doses of music.

            Enjoy!

            Bob LaBarca
            State College, PA
            USA

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            • Harbeth Monitor 30. AirTight ATM-20

              I have to agree the Harbeth Monitor 30 are wonderfully voiced loudspeakers, I am listening to my pair while reading this thread.
              I am using the AirTight ATM-2 80 watt valve amplifier matched with the AirTight ATC -2 valve preamplifier matched with the Harbeth Monitor 30.
              Attached Files
              Thanks Jason.

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              • Air Tight & Leben in the UK

                Nice system.

                Pity the Air Tight and Leben products are sooooo expensive in the UK. It's because they go through a 'Worldwide distributor', adding a further layer of markup.

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                • My M30 and M40.1

                  Hi Dave
                  Thanks for the positive feedback on my system.
                  I change between the Leben CS 600 Integrated & the Air Tight amplifiers for my audio demonstrations, both manufacturers amplifiers work incredibly well with the Harbeth loudspeaker range.

                  My Harbeth monitor 40.1 will be placed in this demonstration system soon and the Harbeth Monitor 30 will be going in to my smaller demonstration audio room Length 7.5 meters x Width 4.5 meter x Height 2.450 meters.
                  Thanks Jason.

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                  • One set of binding posts conversion. Can it be done?

                    Of course I understand this will void the warranty and should be done by someone skilled enough, but I wonder if it's possible to combine the two leads coming off the crossover to one set of binding posts on the back of the M30. This will eliminate the need for jumpers or biwiring. Has anyone tried this?

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                    • Don't mess with the design

                      Originally posted by zindra View Post
                      Of course I understand this will void the warranty and should be done by someone skilled enough, but I wonder if it's possible to combine the two leads coming off the crossover to one set of binding posts on the back of the M30. This will eliminate the need for jumpers or biwiring. Has anyone tried this?
                      And what will you gain? What's the point? The jumpers add nothing, and take nothing away from the sound.

                      {Moderator's comment: just you wait until you hear the story revealed today about a false warranty claim and sending spare parts. Woofer? No. Tweeter? No. Crossover? No. What then ..... non-Harbeth biwire link broken inside.}

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                      • One set of binding posts conversion. Can it be done?

                        Originally posted by Labarum View Post
                        And what will you gain? What's the point? The jumpers add nothing, and take nothing away from the sound.

                        {Moderator's comment: just you wait until you hear the story revealed today about a false warranty claim and sending spare parts. Woofer? No. Tweeter? No. Crossover? No. What then ..... non-Harbeth biwire link broken inside.}
                        I started by saying that this modification, like any other, of course, would null the warranty. Whoever claims a false warranty claim is as false as his claim.
                        I don't agree that jumpers don't make a difference, nor that telephone guides make for great stands, or that electrical wire is good enough for speaker cable, and so on, but that's only my perception, and another story. The M30 is a great speaker, but If jumpers or biwiring are irrelevant, the whole concept of using two binding posts is flawed and shouldn't have been used to start with, I've read this already discussed elsewhere. It's not my intention to start an argument on that matter, I'd just like to know if the single binding post conversion can be done and how, and if someone has successfully done it.

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                        • Just relax and enjoy your M30s

                          I don't believe you can do that conversion internally, as IIRC, the crossover attaches to the four terminals and there are no flying leads to move.

                          So, relax and enjoy them as they are.

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                          • My M30s

                            Ok. That's all I wanted to know, thank you very much.

                            I really like the M30s, the only thing I miss from time to time is a bit more of foundation and size, more sense of real venue. Maybe because I come from full range big speakers. When I bought them I couldn't audition the SHL5, the dealer has them now and I'll give them a try to see if they perform better in that sense. I did audition the C7 at my home and there was something about the treble that didn't fit my preferences.

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                            • Monitor 30 sense of scale and range>>> SHL5?

                              I've had the Monitor 30 for a few months now, great speaker, great timbre, but as I said in a previous post, I am missing the authority and sense of scale that my previous full range speakers had.

                              I changed to (the smaller) M30 because the full range boxes were too big to live with (for my wife, specially). I don't know if it's the bass not going as deep. I listen mostly to classical and jazz, 95% acoustic instruments. Piano with the Monitor 30, for example, although very well presented, lacks the punch and authority I had before. Listening to Gilels' Beethoven on CD or Pollini on vinyl, the previous illusion of being there, sitting in the front row listening to a full size piano is not happening, specially when the lower keys are hit. Maybe those deep harmonics are needed to make the illusion and visceral impact.

                              To check the speakers range I just did a test with the Stereophile Test CD, surprisingly, bass went down to 31.5Hz (at 25kHz it became inaudible), more than specified. On the contrary, treble was cut at 12.5kHz (next track, 16kHz was inaudible), when it's supposed to go up to 20kHz. The rest of the system is the same I had with the previous speakers and I also performed the test with them.

                              When I got the M30 I couldn't audition the SHL5, I did test the C7 but I preferred the M30, the C7 had something in the upper mids/treble that was not as convincing to me. I now wonder if the SHL5, being a larger cabinet and having more bass, would be a better choice to get that sense of involvement and real scale of the music.

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                              • Sense of scale of the SHL5

                                Hi Zindra,

                                You are now missing the "sense of scale" and some of the highest frequencies of the range with your M30. As a SHL5 owner for one year and a half now, I can tell you that this speaker gives a real sense of scale. I couldn't ask for more. Plus, it has a supertweeter, which you might like, because it offers more high frequencies. But be careful, we all lost sensibility to hear high frequencies when we go older.

                                Have a good day,

                                Sébastien

                                {Moderator's comment: Yes as we age our HF range definitely contracts but we can still enjoy music perfectly. Alan commented recently that he doesn't believe he can hear much above about 12-14kHz (he's 54). Much better than the average person for his age. How old are you?}

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