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  • #76
    Monitor 30 & Soundstage Height?

    Hi,
    I've been trying to position my new M30's and find that I cannot get much height to the soundstage. It seems I'm looking down from my chair at the soundstage. Have not had this problem with other speakers in this room. My ears are about 34" off the floor when seated. This puts the tweeter about 2" to 3" above my ears. Speakers are presently on 24" stands. I tried a 20" stand as well but no change. Any suggestions on how to rectify? Thank you,
    Bill

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    • #77
      Re: Harbeth Monitor 30 domestic specific

      Ears should be level with or slightly below tweeter. Also make sure the soeakers are level with respect to front to back and side to side. You may need a slightly taller stand.

      Jay

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      • #78
        Re: Harbeth Monitor 30 domestic specific

        Before you buy new stands, insert something under the speakers (like wood blocks) that will not harm the finish, so that you can see the effects of raising the speakers.

        If you are in the USA, Sound Anchor seels 26" stands for the M30's. I bet that Skylan could make them as well.

        Try raising the speakers before you puchase.

        Jay

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        • #79
          Re: Harbeth Monitor 30 domestic specific

          Hi Jay,
          Thank you for responding. If ears are supposed to be at or slightly below the tweeters, then it would seem that my stands are already too tall. I will try and experiment though and see. I really don't want to go taller than 24" if at all possible. Tweeters would be shooting over my head! Thanks,
          Bill

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          • #80
            Re: Harbeth Monitor 30 domestic specific

            Bill-

            I realized I made a mistake and you probably need shorter stands.

            However, are they level as measured with a good bubble level. I have found that when my Harbeths are NOT front to back level, that effects soundstage height.

            Jay

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            • #81
              Re: Harbeth Monitor 30 domestic specific

              Yes, they seem to be pretty level. I listened at my dealer's today, and soundstage height wasn't much different. I guess it's just the nature of the 30's. It's not too low I guess, but lower than what I was used to.
              -Bill

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              • #82
                Monitor 30 and which subwoofer?

                I was wondering if anyone has had luck pairing the 30's with a sub. If so, what models work well for a music only system in the $1000-$2500 range? Most important is musicality and ability to blend well with the 30's. Room is small (10'X14'). thank you,
                Bill

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                • #83
                  Re: Monitor 30 and which subwoofer?

                  Given the small room, I would be very hesitant to add a sub as it's likely no matter which one you get it will overload the room. Because of the small dimensions, the resonant frequencies will be in the critical mid-bass, perhaps around 60 and 120 Hz. It might be next to impossible to get a seamless overlap with the M30s and you risk ruining they're excellent response. Try borrowing a sub from a friend or dealer first. You may also look into a sub that offers more complex EQ.

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                  • #84
                    A difficult room for the Monitor 30?

                    Hi,
                    I have the following system:
                    Linn Axis turntable
                    Linn Akito arm
                    LInn K9
                    Naim CD5x
                    Naim Nac 72 preamp
                    Naim Hicap power supply
                    Naim Nap 140 power amp
                    Linn Tukan Speakers
                    One of my reference dealers strongly suggested I switch to Harbeth Home Monitor 30.
                    The system is placed in a 4m x 5m library room, bookshelves on three sides, two windows on the fourth, a 1.4m x 1.4m central table.
                    Floormounts would be totally impractical, and the Tukans are placed on a shelf at 1.2m from floor level.
                    The Monitor 30 could be placed at .7m (70cm) from floor level on the top of a 20 drawers cupboard containing 2500 cd's.
                    Is it a real disaster?

                    Giuseppe, Italy

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                    • #85
                      Re: A difficult room for the Monitor 30?

                      The real disaster would be not getting yourself a pair of Harbeths. I use C7s with a Nait5 and I believe your 72/hi/140 would be a nice match. If I were you though, I would try to figure out a way to get the speakers onto some nice Skylan stands rather than the shelf.

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                      • #86
                        Re: A difficult room for the Monitor 30?

                        Originally posted by vaughn3d
                        The real disaster would be not getting yourself a pair of Harbeths. I use C7s with a Nait5 and I believe your 72/hi/140 would be a nice match. If I were you though, I would try to figure out a way to get the speakers onto some nice Skylan stands rather than the shelf.
                        Totally agree! Such nice Naim combo, I suppose M30 would sing as angel with them, but better on good speaker stands.

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                        • #87
                          Re: A difficult room for the Monitor 30?

                          Originally posted by Hu
                          Totally agree! Such nice Naim combo, I suppose M30 would sing as angel with them, but better on good speaker stands.
                          Hi,
                          That is very encouraging to hear from you both.
                          Unfortunately, the stands are not an option. What about some sort of wall (thick solid stone wall) mounts, so the speaker is suspended and not touching the cupboard?
                          Do you know the Linn Tukan? In which area and in what sense should I expect an inprovement?
                          Cheers,
                          Giuse

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                          • #88
                            Re: A difficult room for the Monitor 30?

                            I wouldn't exepect a wall mount to work as there is no way to attach the bracket without drilling into the cabinet. Placing them on the cupboard will work, just not as well as proper stands. Sorry, I have not heard the Linns and cannot compare them, although I did hear some top of the line Linns recently and felt they were extremely aggressive in the treble. My guess is that the M30 will sound much better than the Tukans.

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                            • #89
                              Re: A difficult room for the Monitor 30?

                              Originally posted by vaughn3d
                              I wouldn't exepect a wall mount to work as there is no way to attach the bracket without drilling into the cabinet. Placing them on the cupboard will work, just not as well as proper stands. Sorry, I have not heard the Linns and cannot compare them, although I did hear some top of the line Linns recently and felt they were extremely aggressive in the treble. My guess is that the M30 will sound much better than the Tukans.
                              I was thinking about a dedicated metal shelf and the speaker placed on it without screws. Is it nonsense?

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                              • #90
                                Bass lift when speaker on shelf

                                I think that the cabinets will be tolerant of any mounting arrangement providing that you don't screw into the crossover which sits around the terminal area.

                                However, as explained elsewhere here, Harbeth speakers are optimised for use with air around them i.e. on stands, as far from reflecting surfaces (floor, wall, ceiling, back wall) as possible. OK so what if they are very near to a surface? Well, the best way to explain this is for you to hear it yourself: play music, sit in your hot seat - have someone lift the speakers off their stands whilst you listen .... you will notice that the quality of the bass will change when they put them directly onto the floor. On the floor the sound will be rich and bass heavy. This is exactly what you will hear if you mount them on a shelf, which is, of course, another nearby surface.

                                If your amp has a bass control. or you are lucky enough to have a tilt control function you can significantly compensate for the bass lift.
                                Alan A. Shaw
                                Designer, owner
                                Harbeth Audio UK

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