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  • A.S.
    started a topic Harbeth Monitor 30 domestic specific

    Harbeth Monitor 30 domestic specific

    This thread specifically relates to the Monitor 30

  • IMF+TDL
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    Monitor 30 at the 2017 Gydotron show [ http://www.monoandstereo.com/2017/01...2017.html#more ] :

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  • Pluto
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    Sube - useful about once a week

    Originally posted by hifi_dave View Post
    I'm probably alone in believing that sub-woofers rarely, if ever, improve the sound
    Possibly not...most folks I know who have added sub-woofs to an otherwise "normal" 2 channel array tune them too high in frequency & too loud!

    It's easy to forget that the ".1" is a low frequency effects track and a sub-woof really ought not respond to other signals. Most commercially released music does not contain sufficient loud, low bass to require a sub-woof and those people who insist on using one are, almost by definition, crossing over to them at too high a frequency because most records do not have content of the kind that ought to require one!

    A wise old owl of my acquaintance who listens to a lot of BBC Radio 3 (classical, acoustic, drama, jazz) and has a sub, reckons that the sub produces useful output about once a week.

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  • hifi_dave
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    Subwoofers rarely improve sound

    I'm probably alone in believing that sub-woofers rarely, if ever, improve the sound. Unless you pay a huge amount for a really good sub-woof, they sound fat and sluggish, adding nothing except waffle to music. Fine for films etc but they rarely keep up with the music and you really do need two, which come in at very low frequencies, to avoid image shift. IMO

    As for using a sub-woof to the SHL5 - I really can't understand this as these speakers have more than ample bass for music. After all, many sub-woofs only have an 8 inch driver when a pair of SHL5 have two.

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    A good sub

    Hello Zindra,

    I use a MJ Acoustics ref150mk2 subwoofer with my m30's with very good results, I also had used JLaudio f110 with mixed results. If I had to back to life without a sub it would be difficult. I find that subs mate pretty well with m30's if crossover on the sub is set pretty low, usually less than 50hz. I have my sub connected to the speaker terminals on my LFD amp, works really well. For rock, electronic, movies I just turn the volume of the subwoofer up a bit to get that bit more OOMPH in the lowest frequencies, when listening to acoustic, piano, vocal etc I turn the subwoofer right down to the point where it only act as a "support" for the lowest frequencies where the m30's dont reach.
    I have to agree with STHS5 regarding mating a subwoofer with the SHL5's, the bass is so good on those speakers one never really feel like a sub is needed at all.
    I always felt like the sub took some magic away from the SHL5, but I find that a good sub can have the opposite effect with the m30's making them sound amazing.

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    Half a gallon of beer and a Subwoofer - an ornament in my room

    Originally posted by zindra View Post
    ..
    I use Rythmik Audio F12SE with my SHL5. Previously, I tried Boston Acoustics with disastrous results. Did try Velodyn, Sunfire, and Rel T3 but Ryhtmik is value for money and no other subwoofer give you as much control like the Ryhtmik. Never tried passive subwoofers except for the Rockford Punch subwoofer that I use in my car.

    I connect them directly from the Preamplifier unbalanced output. If you preamplifier does not have two pairs of output then you can use a Y cable. You can also connect after your Amplifier using the speakers wires. Rel and Rythmik’s manuals explain in detail of the different connecting methods.

    Please be forewarned that the use of Subwoofers may muddy your sound and it is almost impossible to say that you can improve the original sound of SHL5 with the addition of a Subwoofer. I have done room measurement using REW and XTZ Room Analyzers but it seems in reality these measurements do not really work in small rooms correctly.

    The best results that I achieved was by tuning the Subwoofer phase, volume and crossover point using my ears after getting the general setting based on calculations as given by the Subwoofer designer and the Room Analyzers software. For reasons unknown, the best phase setting I use now is about 150 degrees. The calculated value supposed to be about 40 degrees. My hearing maybe malfunctioning.

    Now, how much did the sound improve with the addition of a Subwoofer? Initially, it was fun. It shook every part of my room but when the euphoria died down and when I strive to get the most accurate representation of the recorded sound I realize my subwoofer is practically doing nothing. Only on rare occasions I do hear the subwoofer working for some electronically induced deep bass. Other than that, it is just a piece of ornament in my music room.

    However, all is not lost because I do push the volume of the subwoofer when some bass crazed visitors drop by. For some the constant bass beats seemed to bring them some enjoyment. I too enjoy that after downing half a gallon of beer.

    ST

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    Subwoofer for M30... again

    I've read the posts about matching a subwoofer with the M30. The only recommendations I've found are the Quad Gradient sw-63, and the Velodyne DD10 (too expensive for me).

    Does anyone know of a subwoofer that can do a good job without a steep price tag? I've found some from B&W, Polk audio, etc, but I have never used a subwoofer before and I am not sure where to start and what to to look for. Are all subwoofers powered or are there passive also? My amp is 2 channel stereo, where do I connect the subwoofer, to the speakers posts on the amp?

    Thank you.

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  • Paul G Smith
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    Speakers on their side in studio

    Originally posted by micron View Post
    Hi Paul
    In your picture I see The Monitor 30 placed horizontally. I read about people, who placed the Harbeths with the tweeters on down side (audiogon) or even with the Harbeth logos on interior corners (that was at the one exhibition).

    So, use somebody, one of this speakers positions or is that Monitor 30 designed to be placed also in horizontal position?

    Cheers
    This studio is quite often packed with musicians and it is quite often difficult to see who is replying to the presenter's questions, especially as the performers are hidden behind the wall to the right of the window. The picture was taken from the extreme left of the control room.
    The reason the M30s are placed horizontally is simply to be able to have as clear as possible a view of the extremities of the studio!
    The fact that they sound just as good on their sides is very important to the sound mixer!
    It's as well to remember that the mixing position in a studio is always on the axis of the loudspeakers, and I can vouch for the stereo image in studio 5 to be quite good!

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  • micron
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    M30 used on its side?

    Hi Paul
    In your picture I see The Monitor 30 placed horizontally. I read about people, who placed the Harbeths with the tweeters on down side (audiogon) or even with the Harbeth logos on interior corners (that was at the one exhibition).

    So, use somebody, one of this speakers positions or is that Monitor 30 designed to be placed also in horizontal position?

    Cheers

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  • Paul G Smith
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    David Bowie and M30 at the BBC

    Originally posted by Paul G Smith View Post
    Certainly not! BBC Manchester studio5 has M30s mounted horizontally with the HF units innermost, on metal stands to bring them clear of the top of the mixing desk. Many famous bands have been broadcast from there.
    Here's a pic of David Bowie in the studio when he played on the Mark Radcliffe show. The M30 in foreground is the left side of the main monitor pair in this studio's control room (direct to transmitter). The picture was taken by one of my colleagues.

    The live band performs in the same studio space as the DJ, so soundchecks are sometimes made during the programme! The BBC in Manchester has recently closed this building to move to their new northern headquarters in Media City, Salford.

    RIP Studio 5.
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    Port positioning

    [QUOTE=Diminish;16098]Right Ported M-30???

    On the Products Page of the Official Harbeth website, the M-30 Studio shown grouped together with the others has it's port on the right side. Of course, if you click on it, the one shown there is ported on the left the same as the Domestic and any other M-30 I've ever seen. .....QUOTE]

    Hi Diminish,

    I asked a similar question about three years ago . Andy of Harbeth(UK) said, and I quote "

    All Super HL5's have the port on the right side and always have done. The pair matching on all our speaker is with the veneer and also the drive units. The picture on the Harbeth website has been reversed to make the speaker face towards the writing." ....(End of Quote).

    I believe the port's role is to extend the low bass which is coincidently omni directional. So I believe that shouldnt make a difference to us whether it is for SHL5 or M30. IMO.

    ST

    {Moderator's comment: also bear in mind that during photography/DTP images can easily be flipped left-right. The fact is, that at low frequencies where the wavlength is many mtrs. the position of the port on the front, side, top, back will make no practical difference in output. At LF is is almost or actually impossible to measure the port's output in isolation to the woofer: the two blened seamlessly.}

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  • bgiliberti
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    "In my room"

    [QUOTE=zindra;16060]
    Originally posted by P.C. View Post
    Hello Zindra, did you see the pic I posted on the M30 on the cradle stand you where interested in?

    Yes, I did see the pic, thank you. I contacted Pear Audio but they don't make it anymore. I posted a reply before to this before but I probably did something wrong and it doesn't show. Opposite of you, the dealer loved SHL5 but didn't have it in store, so I compared C7 and M30 and got the M30 which really has it's magic going on, and some shortcomings in my room.

    Maybe this is the key: "in my room". I may love the SHL5 at the dealer's dedicated and treated room and then like them less than the M30 in my place. It's a never ending search and it's fun, only pitty is the funds (in my case) are so limited!
    One speaker will always be better than another in some way. I also chose the M30 over the Compact 7 (did not hear SHL5), even though the Compact 7 sounded more impressive at first listen. There is something special about the M30, the clarity, the total lack of distortion, and the solidity that I had never heard in any speaker before. It's not for everybody, and it makes demands on the listener (pay attention!), but I'm glad I chose it for my needs, which is too look into the music, almost as if it's being made before my eyes and ears.

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  • Diminish
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    Port symmetry

    Right Ported M-30???

    On the Products Page of the Official Harbeth website, the M-30 Studio shown grouped together with the others has it's port on the right side. Of course, if you click on it, the one shown there is ported on the left the same as the Domestic and any other M-30 I've ever seen. I've always wondered why the port arrangement was not symmetrical. I asked my dealer and he said "because it doesn't have to be, and its easier to make all the baffles the same". OK, fine, I mean there isn't anything I can point to that is problematic about it. If your speakers are set up equidistant from each other (as they should be); it does put the discharged air (and I'm guessing some low frequency sound) from the right speaker closer to one ear than the other port, but I don't hear it as a coloration. Now, I see this right ported M-30, and it makes me wonder...

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    Importance of a dedicated room (acoustic)

    [QUOTE=P.C.;16057]Hello Zindra, did you see the pic I posted on the M30 on the cradle stand you where interested in?

    Yes, I did see the pic, thank you. I contacted Pear Audio but they don't make it anymore. I posted a reply before to this before but I probably did something wrong and it doesn't show. Opposite of you, the dealer loved SHL5 but didn't have it in store, so I compared C7 and M30 and got the M30 which really has it's magic going on, and some shortcomings in my room.

    Maybe this is the key: "in my room". I may love the SHL5 at the dealer's dedicated and treated room and then like them less than the M30 in my place. It's a never ending search and it's fun, only pitty is the funds (in my case) are so limited!

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  • P.C.
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    M30 v. SHL5

    Hello Zindra, did you see the pic I posted on the M30 on the cradle stand you where interested in?

    I also have the M30s and listen predominately to classical music with a strong bias on the Piano. I've found that I've gotten the best authority. bass impact and sense of scale that you've mention by positioning my M30s in the middle of the room ( I pull them into this position for critical listening) The theory is explained here:
    http://www.immediasound.com/Speaker%20set-up%202009.pdf it might be worth a try?.

    As to the SHL5's, Like you I never got the chance to compare them at my dealer (who much preferred the M30s) but did listened to the C7s. I've been told by a number of dealers that even though the SH5s have more bass I could quite possible (after having living with the M30s for some 5 years now) find myself missing the unique qualities that the M30's have if I changed them (which I have no plan in doing!).

    But obviously if you have the opportunity to listen to both that would be the ideal option.

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