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For example, the design of and interaction between the hifi amplifier and its speaker load can and potentially will alter the sound balance of what you hear. To reproduce the sounds captured by the recording microphones, as Harbeth speakers are designed to do, you would naturally select system components (sources, electronics, cables and so on) that do not color the sound before it reaches the speakers.

Identifying components for their system neutrality should, logically, start with the interpretation and analysis of their technical, objective performance, as any and every deviation from a measurably flat frequency response at any point along the serial chain from microphone to ear is very likely to cause the total system to have an audible sonic personality. That includes the contribution of the listening room itself.

HUG specialises in making complex technical matters simple to understand, aiding the identification of audio components likely to maintain a faithful relationship between the recorded sound and the sound you hear. With our heritage of natural sound, HUG cannot be really be expected to guide in the selection, approval, endorsement or even discussion of equipment that is intend to introduce a significantly personalised sound to the audio signal chain. For that you should do your own research and above all, make the effort to visit an Authorised Dealer and listen to your music at your loudness on your loudspeakers through the various electronics offered there. There is no on-line substitute for that time investment in a dealer's showroom.

If you desire to intentionally tune your system sound to your personal taste, please consider carefully how much you should rely upon the subjective opinions of strangers. Their hearing acuity and taste will be different to yours, as will be their motives and budget, their listening distance, listening loudness and listening room treatment, not necessarily leading to appropriate equipment selection and listening satisfaction for you.

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Taking Alan's word for it..

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  • Taking Alan's word for it..

    I've ordered a P3ESR for my 3m * 4m study.

    Now to see if my Brio-R is "competently designed and working to original specification", since any "competently designed and working to original specification" amp should be able to run the P3ESR nicely.



    {Moderator's comment: assuming that it has a sensible amount of power output, not just two or three watts.}

  • #2
    50w .....

    50W. I'm sure it will work great. :-)

    Alan: Thank you for your outstanding work.


    • #3
      Should definitely!

      Having heard the two items playing together, I think I can fairly say they *should definitely* work well together :D


      • #4
        Brio-R + P3ESR

        Congrats! My Brio-R drives my P3ESR's very well!


        • #5
          Rega Brio-R

          The Rega Brio-R is a great little amp and works very well with the Harbeth range.


          • #6
            Ah, the usual suspects show up again. ArtK, HiFi_Dave. :-)


            • #7
              Old one but sensible ones

              Originally posted by [email protected] View Post
              Ah, the usual suspects show up again. ArtK, HiFi_Dave. :-)
              And why not ?


              • #8
                Nearfield P3ESR

                Will these work well on my desk (on either side of my pc monitor) with me about an arm length's distance away from them, for whem I'm working?

                I'll mostly be using these whem I'm working in my study so it makes most sense for them to sit there. I know that these are a mini monitor, but is that distance too little?

                I think I did read somewhere on this forum/site that the designers really didn't have much more room when they were doing the design work and so that's the way these were setup during the design phase for the most part. (At least early BBC days).


                • #9
                  P3ESR with Brio

                  And unfortunately, we'll never find out if the P3ESRs work with the Brio-R. I sold the Brio-R before I got the harbeths.

                  I'm using them with my Nait XS, and they seem to gel exceptionally well. I'll try them out with a Nait 5i soon.


                  • #10
                    Collective opinion on Brio R

                    Well, we know how well the Brio R works with the P3ESR !!!

                    {Moderator's comment: Do re-read Alan's opinion. He says 'Harbeth speakers will work with *any* decent amp in-spec'. The Brio is just one of hundreds of amps that fit his specification!}


                    • #11
                      Sound fab

                      Don't know about you but I know... they sound fabulous together.


                      • #12
                        Think of someone else, not your amp!

                        I say no worry on amp. If the naim work then just enjoy the music. Get more musics or give money to charity is better way to spend.

                        {moderator's comment: we agree. Too much self-indulgence, too much anxiety, too little reward just going over the amplifier-Harbeth non-issue time after time after time. Why are you not bored to tears with this fictitious issue?!}
                        "Bath with Music"


                        • #13
                          Any amp with Harbeth

                          I know. That's why I chose the Harbeth.

                          {Moderator's comment: The simple facts from our side is this ..... if Harbeth speakers are designed to work well with almost any amp, then we can sell more Harbeth speakers and be more successful! Win win! Any other business strategy is bonkers.}


                          • #14
                            A tipple whilst you listen - a better expenditure than a fancy amp

                            Originally posted by keithwwk View Post
                            I say no worry on amp. If the naim work then just enjoy the music. Get more musics or give money to charity is better way to spend.

                            {moderator's comment: we agree. Too much self-indulgence, too much anxiety, too little reward just going over the amplifier-Harbeth non-issue time after time after time. Why are you not bored to tears with this fictitious issue?!}
                            I like the moderator analogy in another thread, likening amps to wristwatches. In the modern day, quartz/electronic technology means that these have become very reliable, very accurate, and quite cheap. As have solid state amps. Peter Walker of Quad fame made an enduring statement about amps once - the best amps are straight wires with gain. A classic definition.

                            Having said that, there is still a market for expensive wristwatches of both the quartz and the mechanical type. Perhaps the latter may be compared to the tube amp fascination of today? People want something on their wrists that speaks of their success in life, and I imagine that similar psychology attends the selection of high end and expensive amplification. Do they get to have better timekeeping wearing a 10000 dollar watch? Do they transform people who are habitually not able to be on time?!

                            Very few people spend the time/effort/money on getting their speakers to perform better in the speaker positioning and room acoustics part of the system, which is the place where most improvement in the heard sound is to be obtained. Another way to get better sound is to spend the money saved on a decent glass of wine while listening - sound is heard in the brain at the end of the day, the ears too are just transducers, and the effect of a tipple on getting the wine affected brain to think it is hearing wonderful sound isn't to be underestimated! One of my favorite audio tweaks, frankly.

                            {Moderator's comment: audio amps are very, very, very simple electronic designs. A first class stereo amp can be made from around 40 components. None of those parts has a personality, sonic or electronic. How can these components when wired together take on a strong personality?}


                            • #15

                              The Brio-r is a great little amp and works great with my P3ESR's and my Stirling V2's.