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  • #61
    Re: Easy load - yes of course it is

    Originally posted by A.S. View Post
    Yes, we considered that one. We selected the TDA (if I remember correctly) because of its advanced anti-thump mute circuitry. That totally eliminated any power-on power-off thump to the speakers: very impressive.
    Interresting. I have often seen use of TDA chips. I think they are from Philips.

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    • #62
      P3ESR ---- production is underway!

      We're off! It's official ... the all-new P3ESR is being built and shipped. Thank your for your patience.

      It's twenty years since Alan introduced the original P3 .... and this really is a ground-up redesign. Only the grille and (two of) the rear terminals are carried over from the legacy P3s.

      Special days like this come around very rarely - let's celebrate the birth of the world's best mini. Read the date sheet on the Harbeth website.

      P.S. We're particularly appreciative of those firm, paid orders we've received from UK dealers from customers who've been patiently awaiting production: thank you.
      Harbeth PR,
      Harbeth UK

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      • #63
        Maple or eucalyptus?

        Something else I've spotted... maple is listed as a veneer. My dealer said eucalyptus was available, but said nothing about maple.... has maple replaced eucalyptus as the light veneer option?

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        • #64
          Re: Maple or eucalyptus?

          Yes, we are able to offer maple P3ESR and have limited stock of this veneer. We have extremely limited stock of eucalyptus at this moment but we will have eucalyptus later this year if there is a strong demand for it. Eucalyptus looks very attractive on the Harbeth range but is becoming expensive to source.

          As you may have noticed, following regular requests from those who plan to use their P3s in a home theatre setup (either as front, centre or rear) we've reintroduced black ash. Rosewood and cherry are readily available, subject to our normal production lead time - orders are fulfilled strictly as first come, first served.
          Alan A. Shaw
          Designer, owner
          Harbeth Audio UK

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          • #65
            P3ESR - web page - more info added

            This morning we've added some extra information to the P3ESR web page here (at bottom of page). Specifically, I've taken a picture of the all-new 5" RADIAL2? woofer that's the heart of the P3ESR. There are a couple of things to point out about this driver -

            - Not only does it work exquisitely, it looks beautiful too. I've invested man-years in this design and I'm proud of this unit so it should look like a million dollars. The shiny metal parts of the magnet are individually turned in a lathe, one by one. Conventional parts are bashed out by the millions and look so ugly we wouldn't contemplate using them even if they are a tenth of the cost.

            - The Harbeth-exclusive RADIAL2? cone has a high-gloss finish; you can see the clouds in the sky (I took this photo outdoors). This mirror-like finish means more of the sound flows from the cone to the room in the critical mid/presence region. If you can't see your face in the cone you're not listening to a Harbeth and it won't sound like a Harbeth. In fact, I'd go further and say that cone's sheen (how matt or shiny it is) strongly correlates with the quality of sound: matt cones seem to have a dull sound - have a close look at your cones!

            - The phase plug in the middle of the cone is common with the larger Harbeths and is responsible for the smooth and extended response at the top end of the unit where conventional drivers really struggle (and sound so foggy).

            - The surround extends well into the cone and really clamps the cone to the frame. This allows this little driver to reliably move air as it moves in and out

            - The tag panel is the same that's used on the larger Harbeths. It has two wide blades that mate with receptacles in the wiring harness. This makes for easy assembly and in the very unlikely event of replacement, no soldering skills at all are needed.

            - Printed labels and serial number. All Harbeth-made woofers are individually numbered and traceable down to the glues used to make them.
            Attached Files
            Alan A. Shaw
            Designer, owner
            Harbeth Audio UK

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            • #66
              P3ESR - arrive tomorrow

              I get my demo pair tomorrow in lovely shiny Rosewood with lovely shiny cones. I can't wait !!!

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              • #67
                Michael Jackson - a recomendation

                With the sad news overnight I'd highly recommend you listen to Michael Jackson's Bad on your new P3ESRs. It is surely the best produced, best recorded pop album and one I have used during the development of every generation of new Harbeth.

                The dynamic range, stereo imaging and evenness of sound across the audio spectrum is an absolute delight - and the tunes are good too.
                Alan A. Shaw
                Designer, owner
                Harbeth Audio UK

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                • #68
                  Michael Jackson "Billie Jean" and "Thriller"

                  MJ's older Billy Jean & Thriller is not bad too.....

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                  • #69
                    P3ESR - arrived!

                    Originally posted by A.S. View Post
                    With the sad news overnight I'd highly recommend you listen to Michael Jackson's Bad on your new P3ESRs. It is surely the best produced, best recorded pop album and one I have used during the development of every generation of new Harbeth.

                    The dynamic range, stereo imaging and evenness of sound across the audio spectrum is an absolute delight - and the tunes are good too.
                    Alan,

                    It's a CD I use often and did so again this afternoon.

                    I unpacked my immaculate little P3ESR's and admired the finish for ten minutes or so before mating them to their stands with four little blobs of Blu Tak per cabinet. They really are beautiful little speakers in Rosewood with superb fit n finish. Connected them to the new Naim Nait XS-2 (also arrived today), driven by a Rega Saturn. So, it wasn't a mega buck system by any stretch, just better than average but boy did it sound good !!!

                    Those little 3's really do sing and where does the bass come from ? They really are excellent and well worth the wait. You don't need me to tell you but you've done a brilliant job with these.

                    I did the 'Bad' and lots of 70's Rock from the likes of Chicago Transit Authority, Zeppelin, Bloomfield, Cooper, Stills, some vocals from Dusty in Memphis, Jennifer Warnes, Paul Simon and finished up with Blackstreet. All albums I know well but still I heard all sorts I'd not noticed before, thanks to the 3's.

                    Nice one Alan.

                    David

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                    • #70
                      Re: New Harbeth P3ESR

                      Hi David,

                      I'm glad that you are happy with your new speakers (hifi).

                      Pls post some pictures.

                      Thanks

                      Link to post your pictures
                      http://www.harbeth.co.uk/usergroup/showthread.php?t=338

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                      • #71
                        Re: Harbeth P3ESR: astonishing bass performance

                        Originally posted by A.S. View Post
                        ... from a tiny box. Some factors relating to the painstaking analysis and optimising of the Harbeth designed and made 5" woofer are covered here and here.

                        The design challenges are exactly the same for a small box like the P3 and for a centre channel, so the design process is identical.
                        As a former owner of the P3-ES-2, and having just ordered the P3ESR, I agree the bass performance is great - for a 5" woofer in a small box. Whether it's "enough" bass is another question, however. Modern pop, rock and electronic music can have some seriously deep bass that a speaker like the P3ESR just isn't going to credibly reproduce.

                        So why did I order it, then? Because (1) I listen in a small room, and have WAF and neighbour issues to consider; (2) what the P3-ES-2 did well (most everything except deep bass) it did better than almost any other speaker I've heard, and certainly better than any other speaker I could afford; and (3) I'm confident the P3ESR will be even better than its predecessor.

                        That said, I'd like to throw my vote behind the development of a Harbeth-designed subwoofer system that would integrate properly with the P3ESR, and would provide real deep bass output. Maybe something like the old Xtenders, maybe a single box, maybe even an active option. I think the market would embrace it eagerly - I know I would.

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                        • #72
                          P3ESR now being shipped - order lead time etc.

                          To bring you completely up to date ..... and to avoid disappointment ....

                          The first shipments of P3ESR are beginning to arrive at overseas customers. We're only ten days into the life of this P3ESR - and the P3/P3ES ran for nineteen years. Unlike many manufacturers, we do not 'build for stock' and then impose that stock on the distribution chain whether they want it or not, and whether they can afford to pay for it or not. We build exactly what is ordered by each customer by model and by veneer and we are normally accurate in estimating the delivery date, even months into the future.

                          We permanently operate at 100% capacity through the year so there are no obvious miracle solutions to boosting production just because it's summer time, but we're looking at every possible way to produce more at our small UK factory.

                          We have recently been contacted at the factory by end users (retail customers) attempting to ascertain the delivery status on their orders. This puts us in a difficult position because our function is to design and manufacture, not to explain the logistics of the distribution channels outside of our knowledge and control. Our terms are ex-works and that means that Harbeth UK is responsible for and in complete control only up the the point the speakers literally leave our door.

                          Please be so kind as to understand that we will continue to do everything we can to manufacture your Harbeths to our usual high standard and to deliver them against the orders we have on hand - if they are on hand. All we ask is that orders are funnelled to us in a timely, regular fashion to give us time to plan. The lead time is no secret: under ISO9001 rules, we are required to issue (and amend if necessary) Order Confirmations, which are normally emailed to our customers within five days. The entire MRP based orders-in, works orders planning, procurement and invoicing is computerised, and needs only two pieces of information to do all the thinking for us: a sales order in and a totally accurate piece part count and Bill of Materials.

                          In short, please satisfy yourself that your P3ESR (or other Harbeths) are definitely on-order through the distribution chain and up to us here at the factory. We have no means of identifying individual customers from bulk-orders we receive, and obviously we are not able to discuss commercially sensitive bulk orders here on the Harbeth User Group.
                          Alan A. Shaw
                          Designer, owner
                          Harbeth Audio UK

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                          • #73
                            Re: Maple or eucalyptus?

                            Thanks for the info on veneers Alan. I agree that the eucalyptus looks fantastic - such a nice combination of subtle colouring and grain.

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                            • #74
                              Re: P3ESR - arrived!

                              Originally posted by hifi_dave View Post
                              Alan,

                              ...

                              Those little 3's really do sing and where does the bass come from ? They really are excellent and well worth the wait. You don't need me to tell you but you've done a brilliant job with these...

                              I did the 'Bad' and lots of 70's Rock from the likes of Chicago Transit Authority, Zeppelin, Bloomfield, Cooper, Stills, some vocals from Dusty in Memphis, Jennifer Warnes, Paul Simon and finished up with Blackstreet. All albums I know well but still I heard all sorts I'd not noticed before, thanks to the 3's.

                              Nice one Alan.

                              David
                              Dave, I suspect many forum readers would enjoy hearing more from you about any distinctions you hear between your P3Rs and the predecessor ES2s. I know I would...

                              If you care to elaborate on the qualities of the match-up with the Rega Saturn and the Nait XS, I'd be very interested in that as well. I have the Apollo 35th edition and I'm thinking seriously about the Nait XS to partner, as a former Nait 5i owner...

                              regards,
                              -Paul-

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                              • #75
                                P3ESR - full of life, dynamic and FUN!

                                Hi Paul,
                                I've only recently taken on Harbeth as a dealer. I have sold a few Harbeths over the years but never actually stocked the product. Just a couple of months ago I bit the bullet and bought a pair of 7ES3 and was so knocked out by them, I ordered up a pair of HL5 and the new P3ESR. Monitor 40 to come when the bank account allows.

                                I have no experience of the (previous generation) P3ES/2 but plenty of experience with small 'monitors' hence my enthusiasm for the P3ESR which, I consider, to be head and shoulders better than the contenders.

                                First thing you notice is the incredible bass from these small boxes. You've heard it all before - the listener being fooled into thinking that the larger speakers in the room were playing when it was actually the small ones. Well, I did actually trick a customer who thought the floor standers in the corner were playing and he asked to hear the P3ESR.

                                These are exciting little speakers, full of life and get up and go. I listen mainly to Rock, Blues and Jazz. I need speakers which are pacey, dynamic, large and go loud. The P3ESR does all these things and managed to hold my attention for many hours where the average speaker keeps me listening for half hour max. They are clean, detailed, natural, communicative and the vocals are just stunning. They are FUN.

                                I used them with the Saturn, which is very similar to your 35th Anniversary model and the new Naim Nair 5XS-2. An excellent combo by any standards and a perfect match with the P3ESR for not too much money.

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