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Jan. 2018
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My new pair of P3ESRs - first impressions

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  • My new pair of P3ESRs - first impressions

    Following on my earlier thread where I announced my intention to audition the P3ESR, I have finally managed to visit the dealer and buy the smallest of the Harbeth range. They arrived this week and I've had some hours to listen to them. My impressions may benefit others, therefore I thought to provide some follow up. For those of you who already have Harbeths this probably doesn't provide anything new.

    I've got a rosewood pair, which is beautifully finished, super smooth polished and a lovely dark brown color. Incidentally the dealer mentioned that Harbeth would in the future no longer offer rosewood veneer. I'm glad I managed to snag a pair. The speakers are heavier than I expected; I had Dali Zensor and Amphion Ion before which were a similar size but significantly lighter. The general appearance is of a luxury piece of wooden furniture. To be honest, I'm surprised that Harbeth manages to produce these speakers for such a modest price, given the obvious quality of production.

    The speakers are in a near-field listening set-up, on my desk (where I work), approximately 1 meter (=3 feet?) distance from my ears. I use monitor pads to slightly raise the speakers and tilt them to point upwards, so the tweeters aim at ear-height.

    Now to the musical experience. It's not a night-and-day change, but there are clear differences. I noticed that voices and solo instruments in particular have a much more immediate presence. It really is like the singer is standing in between the speakers, while before it was more like I could recognise that the singer was supposed to stand there. This is noticeable also with instrumental effects, for example the beginning of Killer Queen or Beatles songs. It is quite amazing. When listening more closely I believe this may be due to a better representation of microdynamics (this is how I believe mr. Shaw once called it), and (possibly related) the representation of the recording environment (the sounds have a sense of space, it seems like I can hear the reverbation/echo of the room or concert hall).

    Furthermore the various instruments and voices have a clearly defined position. This may be what is commonly called soundstage or separation. As a consequence I find it much easier to follow the various melodic lines (which is one think I enjoy doing while listening to music). I can finally hear all of the music instead of only the main melody. The speakers do have a clear 'sweet spot'; if I move my chair too far backwards the immersion is lost (although the music still sounds very nice).

    Surprisingly I find the bass much more present than before. Some reviews state that the monitors are fairly bass light. I guess they mean that they don't provide belly-thumping bass. That kind of bass doesn't interest me, actually I kind of dislike it with pop concerts. However, bass is clearly present and audible. I can easily follow the bass melody in a variety of music, up to the very low notes. I can even feel the vibration of deep notes on the desk.

    One other remark: the speakers are very smooth to listen to, which may induce me to turn up the volume higher than I normally would. Sometimes one reads opinions that other speakers would be more exciting. Possibly excitement refers to stress which may arise when listening to lesser speakers? The precision of the P3ESR to me does work relaxing in the sense that my mind doesn't have to work to fill in lost details; it simply presents the music that there is.

    To sum up, the P3ESR are remarkable speakers. The effect for me is somewhat akin to having gone to the optician and getting better glasses (or cleaning one's dirty pair). In this analogy, I still perceive the same objects as before, but my perception is sharper and more focused. For people without glasses it may be compared somewhat to moving from normal DVD films to Blu-Ray or similar higher resolution video.

    Thank you, mr. Shaw, for creating these speakers and adhering to your principles. I'm very happy to have finally joined the ranks of Harbeth owners.
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