HUG - here for all audio enthusiasts

The Harbeth User Group is the primary channel for public communication with Harbeth's HQ. If you have a 'scientific mind' and are curious about how the ear works, how it can lead us to make the right - and wrong - audio equipment decisions, and about the technical ins and outs of audio equipment, how it's designed and what choices the designer makes, then the factual Science of Audio sub-forum area of HUG is your place. The objective methods of comparing audio equipment under controlled conditions has been thoroughly examined here on HUG and elsewhere and should be accessible to non-experts and able to be tried-out at home without deep technical knowledge. From a design perspective, today's award winning Harbeths could not have been designed any other way.

Alternatively, if you just like chatting about audio and subjectivity rules for you, then the Subjective Soundings area is you. If you are quite set in your subjectivity, then HUG is likely to be a bit too fact based for you, as many of the contributors have maximised their pleasure in home music reproduction by allowing their head to rule their heart. If upon examination we think that Posts are better suited to one sub-forum than than the other, they will be redirected during Moderation, which is applied throughout the site.

Questions and Posts about, for example, 'does amplifier A sounds better than amplifier B' or 'which speaker stands or cables are best' are suitable for the Subjective Soundings area only, although HUG is really not the best place to have these sort of purely subjective airings.

The Moderators' decision is final in all matters and Harbeth does not necessarily agree with the contents of any member contributions, especially in the Subjective Soundings area, and has no control over external content.

That's it! Enjoy!

{Updated Oct. 2017}
See more
See less

Denon AVC3800 or Audiolab 8000C/P for my SHL5P

  • Filter
  • Time
  • Show
Clear All
new posts

  • Denon AVC3800 or Audiolab 8000C/P for my SHL5P

    Hi, hope all is good! I need some advice if you have the experience on this...

    Should I use Denon AVC3800 or Audiolab 8000C/P to drive my SHL5P?

    I want a simple setup where I watch movie/TV and listen to stereo music on the same system. I listen more to music and place more emphasis on this (over movie). On movie, I only use 2 channels S

    My current setup is such:
    - Pioneer DVD/SACD universal player with internal DAC and Andriod TV connected to Denon AVC3800. All movie tracks down-sample to 2 CH PCM at DVD player, likewise for TV - all these digital inputs to Denon (for DAC and Pre and Amp), and out to SHL5P.
    - For SACD only, I am using the Pioneer's internal DAC, and then do audio out to Denon, and out to speakers.
    (hope this is not confusing you)

    If I change to Audiolab (all analog pre/amp),
    I will need an external DAC. i.e. either use the Pioneer or buy a better blu ray universal player with DAC ($$$), and then have the audio out to Audiolab, and out to SHL5P.

    Which is a better (i.e better music ) setup? pros/cons of each? or it doesn't matter and I shouldn't bother with change.

    Thoughts? Advice? Thanks!

  • #2
    The only real reason to change anything would be to have more power, which you may like if the room is a bit larger than average. An all analogue pre power amp does not seem a smart idea in this day and age. If you wanted to upgrade, I would prefer a dac with variable output like the Pioneer U-05 plus a pro audio power amp of a few hundred watts (and xlr inputs). Alternatively, you could use an Oppo UDP 205 4k video disc player as a pre amplifier (it has some additional digital inputs and a variable stereo output) plus, again, a beefy pro audio power amplifier. With modern digital sources you do not need a pre amplifier anymore.

    I agree with you that a quality stereo system is great for home theatre (I do exactly the same). In addition, if the HT part is very important you could add two subwoofers (use at least two - in mono - for smoother in room response, and with room eq like the Antimode 8033). This only makes sense if your room is big enough. In a small room the room modes (low frequency peaks at the resonant frequencies of your room's dimensions) will become too hard to control.


    • #3
      Thank you, willem. I am considering the Cambridge CXU. It is a universal player that plays anything from blu ray to SACD, and with in built decoders and DAC, and dedicated stereo out. That way I only need 1 player, no external DAC. i.e. 1 deck.

      If I get this, should I connect the CXU direct to Audiolab 8000P amp, bypassing the 8000C pre? I am compelled to include the Pre, since it's there. Better to use than to let it rust. ....ha ha!

      Does this make sense?


      • #4
        Nearly 2 years ago I had similar considerations when I was able to overhaul my system. My digital sources, at the time, were mulitplying and I needed to neaten up the whole set-up. Like you, I use a universal player which means that I need a good analogue section and input for playing my (few) SACDs. I wanted a digital input for this player's 24/192 capable co-ax output, and I wanted an optical input to receive the optical output from my satellite pvr and telly, sorry, plasma display screen. My satellite receiver is HDMI'd to the telly, which, in turn, sends the digital audio back to the TV's optical out. Oh, and I wanted to remote control the whole thing. Still with me?

        So, I could go: Good DAC > remote controled pre-amp or integrated.... or good DAC /pre-amp combined in one unit. In my case, I found a remote controled pre-amp/DAC/headphone amp with more inputs than I could shake a stick at that was just the job. For me, then, the universal disc player + satellite box > DAC/pre-amp seemed the tidiest solution as well as giving me some future-proofing. I also took the opportunity to change my universal disc player for an Oppo BDP-103D which meant that my whole music library could live on an attached USB drive rendering my Squeezebox touch redundant. The system is now getting as straightforward to operate as possible. At that time I was 63 and I wanted something that would 'see me out' with no more fretting to be done. I'm standing now at the side of the 'upgrade conveyor' watching the others judder by.
        Last edited by hifidez; 12-10-2017, 04:53 PM. Reason: some typos (maybe not all)