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Naim Uniti with 5+

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  • Naim Uniti with 5+

    Hi. I am considering simplifying my system to a 'one box' plus speakers (from an Antipodes DX source, Meitner MA1 DAC, Concert Fidelity pre and Lamm 1.2 Ref monos) and have some reading about the new 80w Naim Uniti Nova. However as yet there are very few Nova reviews. Has anyone heard/got the new Naim Atom or Nova with 5+s and if so what are your thoughts? Also interested in any feedback from anyone using the previous Unitis with the 5+s. I listen almost solely to Tidal and Spotify and hence and pretty sure my current system is over-speced, over invested in and also taking up far too much space. I'm also worried that one day one or more components could have issues and they are expensive and difficult to service. Thanks in advance.

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    From what I have heard, you might be best to wait a while before buying any of the new Naim all-in-one boxes.

    IMO, you need something better than a Uniti with the SHL5+. A member on the HUG owned a Uniti for a time but changed it for a conventional amplifier to drive his P3ESR and is very pleased with the results.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by MrMobius View Post
      I am considering simplifying my system to a 'one box' plus speakers (from an Antipodes DX source, Meitner MA1 DAC, Concert Fidelity pre and Lamm 1.2 Ref monos) and have some reading about the new 80w Naim Uniti Nova. I listen almost solely to Tidal and Spotify and hence and pretty sure my current system is over-speced, over invested in and also taking up far too much space. I'm also worried that one day one or more components could have issues and they are expensive and difficult to service.
      Also consider one of the following:
      https://uk.yamaha.com/en/products/au...602/index.html
      https://uk.yamaha.com/en/products/au...03d/index.html
      http://www.pioneer-audiovisual.eu/eu...ducts/sx-n30ae
      http://www.uk.onkyo.com/en/products/tx-8270-138381.html

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      • #4
        Originally posted by MrMobius View Post
        Hi. I am considering simplifying my system to a 'one box' plus speakers (from an Antipodes DX source, Meitner MA1 DAC, Concert Fidelity pre and Lamm 1.2 Ref monos) and have some reading about the new 80w Naim Uniti Nova. However as yet there are very few Nova reviews. Has anyone heard/got the new Naim Atom or Nova with 5+s and if so what are your thoughts? Also interested in any feedback from anyone using the previous Unitis with the 5+s. I listen almost solely to Tidal and Spotify and hence and pretty sure my current system is over-speced, over invested in and also taking up far too much space. I'm also worried that one day one or more components could have issues and they are expensive and difficult to service. Thanks in advance.
        Did you come to a decision on this?

        I had a UnitiQute2 attached to P3ESR and even for desktop it was better served with a power amp in the middle - I used a Quad 909. I then replaced both with an Audiolab M-One (40 wpc) and Aries streamer.

        I have SHL5+ for my main system with an all-in-one (Devialet 250 Pro). It is currently at Devialet for an upgrade, so I put the Audiolab M-One into the main system. It does an OK job, but the bass sucks and it lacks any finesse. For a 700 all-in-one you can't expect miracles. It is the same power as the Atom.

        I really like the design of the new Naim, but I think you will need more power to get to the quality of sound you probably previously experienced. The Nova seems very expensive for what it is.

        The Atom has the adavatange of pre-outs (like my old UnitiQute2), so you could use it with a really good power amplifier. I've only heard good things about the Benchmark ABH2 (http://www.theabsolutesound.com/arti...hb2-amplifier/). You could keep the Atom up front and hide the amp in a cupboard underneath.

        An Atom + amp combination may be approaching or reaching the cost of the entry level Devialet 130 Pro all-in-one. I am totally delighted with my unit. IT would give you the option of adding a subwoofer. I use a REL S/2 and it works beautifully, taking minutes to set up.

        The unknown is the Devialet "Core Infinity" streaming card. My unit is at Devialet for this new streaming card to be fitted. It will have, or will soon have, Tidal etc onboard. Some like Spotify, Roon and unpnp will be there with the release in mid December, others will be added soon. It uses it is own wireless protocol that is superb. If this new streaming card works well, and it better had, a 130 or 220 Pro could be a good option.

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        • #5
          You do not say anything about room size. If quite modest, the Japanese amplifiers and receivers that IMF TDL is referring to would be excellent. If the room is big, you may need more power. In that case you could consider something like the Pioneer U-05 plus a pro audio amplifier, or if you really want the very best a Benchmark DAC3/AHB2, perhaps even in bridged mode. The Benchmark units have a trigger connection, so you could hide the power amp(s) out of sight.

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