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  • Amp too powerful for SHL5?

    Hi all,

    Now i'm using Classe ca301 (300w) power amp to drive Thiel CS2.4. I'm about to purchase Super HL5 speakers. Is the amp too powerful for the Super HL5? (I like the amp very much.)

    Thanks

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    • Amp too powerful for SHL5?

      Originally posted by Jmohd
      Hi all, Now i'm using Classe ca301 (300w) power amp to drive Thiel CS2.4.
      I'm about to purchase Super HL5 speakers. Is the amp too powerful for the Super HL5? (I like the amp very much.) Thanks
      I think an amp can never be too powerful for a speaker.
      The opposite is the case when an app has less power and when clipping occurs. This will most likely mean big trouble for the tweaters.

      So your 300w monster will be fine ...

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      • Amp too powerful for SHL5?

        Originally posted by T.W.
        I think an amp can never be too powerful for a speaker....
        We've covered the 'how much power do I need? / Is my amp too small? / Is my amp too powerful?' a few times so it's worth having a look at the archive here.
        Alan A. Shaw
        Designer, owner
        Harbeth Audio UK

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        • Re: Anyone using Marantz PM11S1 with SHL5?

          I now using 60watts PM17mkII KI too. It sound alright to me too. I just winder if the latest PM11S1 can let my SHL5 sound even better. From your reply, I think I may get better bass resolution from the PM11..Lucky me to not hv serious room problem when place my SHL5 along long wal...But I cant enjoy its excellent bass extension as placed them along short wall.
          Compromise..no choice!

          Originally posted by T.W.
          I used a Marantz PM17 for about 6 years with my HL5LE and liked it very much. I replaced it some years ago by a Marantz PM14MKII KI. I'm not sure if the PM14 was much better. It probaly had a better resulution in the deep bass area. Last year I got some M40s and used them together with the PM14 - fine. There is nothing wrong with any Marantz and they have a very long term stability. They use excellent parts especially for capacitors and volume regulators. I like the KI series but I'm not sure if there is one for the PM11.

          But there is another recommendation I have. 3 month ago I replaced the PM14 by a Lyngdorf TDAI 2200 with RoomPerfect because of a massive room problem. The effect of DSP/roomperfect is huge and I never want to miss it anymore. I'm not sure if it matters that mich what kind of amplifier you use with your SHL5. I'm sure that if you spend some money the differences will be very small. But any DSP solution is another story and the TDAI 2200 with RoomPerfect is a milestone. If you have a chance then please give it a try.

          Thomas
          "Bath with Music"

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          • Re: Anyone using Marantz PM11S1 with SHL5?

            Originally posted by keithwwk
            I now using 60watts PM17mkII KI too. It sound alright to me too. I just winder if the latest PM11S1 can let my SHL5 sound even better. From your reply, I think I may get better bass resolution from the PM11..Lucky me to not hv serious room problem when place my SHL5 along long wal...But I cant enjoy its excellent bass extension as placed them along short wall.
            Compromise..no choice!
            I wouldn't expect too much from a PM11 compared to your PM17. The shop where I bought my Lyngdorf took my PM17 in payment. When I was there some weeks ago they had a huge Accuphase turned on (the biggest I have ever seen), some quite good speakers (far away from harbeth of course) and some good jazz music. I liked what I heared - very smooth. I "expected" to hear the accuphase but it was my PM17 that they wanted to sell this day.... So don't worry, it's all you need.

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            • SHL5 and QUAD II amp ... bi-wiring?

              Hi to All,
              I'm new to this forum.

              I could have a great opportunity to try and by an used SHL5.

              With my current speakers (QUAD 21L2) I fount lot of difference from single or bi-wiring. My question is: Which is the best connection style for SHL5? Which are the difference between standard SHL5 and 30th anniversary edition?

              I have also a question for T.W. Are you switch from Thiel to Harbeth?

              Thanks to all of you
              with friend regards,
              Giuseppe

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              • SHL5 and bi-wiring?

                Originally posted by granosalis View Post
                ...Which is the best connection style for SHL5?
                Welcome.... I think the SHL-5 works fine with single wiring... basically I follow my amp recommendations - Single wiring. The difference for SHL-5 vs the SHL-5 30th anniversary is the internal studio grade OFC wires.

                Cheers.

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                • Re: Harbeth SHL5 specific

                  Originally posted by granosalis View Post
                  I have also a question for T.W.
                  Are you switch from Thiel to Harbet?
                  No. I switched from my selfmade speakers to a HL5 in 1997. The HL5 was the only speaker I liked. In 2007 I switched to the M40s. They will stay for the next 10 years ...

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                  • Re: Harbeth SHL5 specific

                    Originally posted by Soundbyte View Post
                    Welcome.... I think the SHL-5 works fine with single wiring... basically I follow my amp recommendations - Single wiring. The difference for SHL-5 vs the SHL-5 30th anniversary is the internal studio grade OFC wires.

                    Cheers.
                    Thanks for the answer.
                    Well, I don't think it should be an amp recommendation, maybe a speaker recommendation. isn't it?

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                    • Re: Harbeth SHL5 specific

                      Originally posted by granosalis View Post
                      Thanks for the answer.
                      Well, I don't think it should be an amp recommendation, maybe a speaker recommendation. isn't it?
                      Well yes and no... there are some certain amp (i.e. Lavardin & Naim) would strongly recommends single wiring even though the speakers support bi-wiring. So I just base on my amp recommendations.

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                      • SHL5, QUAD, Tropical Audio ... endless hours of musical pleasure ...

                        It has been 5 months since I bought the SHL5. To be honest the original intent was to buy something decent and as a 'second set'. This was just before I was transferred to a new job in India. Before I left Malaysia in Dec 2007, I auditioned a number of speakers and settled for the SHL5 from Sam (Tropical Audio). Sam is a great guy with a lot of patience and a diehard of Harbeth & Quad.

                        I also have a main system comprising of Audio Research VT100 MkIII, BAT VK30se, Wilson Audio Sophia and Marantz SA11SI and Aries Scoutmaster for front-ends. I wired the SHL5 at home with my old trusted Quad34/Quad306/Quad67 set and it sounded good. I had no time to do a detail comparison and shipped it out to India in late Dec.

                        Now after 5 months I have to say, this combination gives me endless hours of music pleasure. I hate to say it, but to be honest, the Quad + SHL5 sounds more musical than my other expensive set in KL. I do go back every fortnight and cannot help but hear the difference.
                        I also recently replaced the Quad 34 with the Quad 99 pre. The highs are real sweet. Yesterday, I adjusted the toe-in having read in the forum that 10 to 12 degrees is sufficient. What a difference this made! I am now awaiting my Quad 99 CDP-2 which should arrive tomorrow.

                        I have been a hi-fi fan for 20+ years and have much stories (and burnt pockets) to share but this one is a good example of you do not have to splash money to get top notch sound.
                        When my job gets me back to KL or Singapore at my next posting, I know what I will buy....another pair of Harbeths of course!

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                        • SHL5... endless hours of musical pleasure ...

                          Originally posted by ednevis View Post
                          It has been 5 months since I bought the SHL5.... Now after 5 months I have to say, this combination gives me endless hours of music pleasure. I hate to say it, but to be honest, the Quad + SHL5 sounds more musical than my other expensive set in KL. I do go back every fortnight and cannot help but hear the difference.

                          I have been a hi-fi fan for 20+ years and have much stories (and burnt pockets) to share but this one is a good example of you do not have to splash money to get top notch sound.
                          When my job gets me back to KL or Singapore at my next posting, I know what I will buy....another pair of Harbeths of course!
                          Hi Ednevis, thks for sharing this with us here. Its indeed reassuring time & time again to hear music lovers say that Harbeth is more musical than all those flashy & grossly overpriced stuff that we so often see in the high end market. That's why i mentioned in the 'Compact 7 value' thread that Harbeth is priceless because no other loudspeakers at any price sound quite so natural, sweet, & downright musical.

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                          • SHL5... endless hours of musical pleasure ...

                            The same thing happened to me. I got the SHL5's with the intent of building a 'practical' second system around my Leben CS600 integrated amp. As it turned out my Leben & Harbeth combo kicked the poo musically out of my Avantgarde Duo and Tom Evans system. That surprised me, and somewhat perplexed me. And that's not a diss of the Duos & TEAD which is really good gear, it's just that the Harbeth & Leben combo played music in a remarkably satisfying way.

                            I've bought the little Leben CS300X integrated (also a great amp), and the Leben separates pre & CS660P too (ditto), so I've got the start of a nice little Harbeth & Leben collection when I can afford to buy some more Harbeths.

                            By the way: Anyone reading this have a magic Harbeth combo with the CS300X? I already know the SHL5 works well, but has anyone tried the HLP3ES2 or the Compact 7?

                            Best,

                            Jeff

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                            • Re: Harbeth SHL5 specific

                              Hi all,

                              I am currently looking for speakers and an amp to expand my current headphone - only setup. My room is 10ft deep by 26ft wide, all brick construction. I will place the speakers to fire across the 10ft dimension (firing down the 26ft length is not a practical option) and I prefer to listen at 6-8ft from the speakers. I also listen at low to moderate levels so speakers which need the volume turned up to come alive are no use to me. I will probably be using a valve amp, maybe even a SET, say about 10-40 watts per channel.

                              I was wondering if anyone here had heard the SHL5 and the Living Voice Avatar IBX/OBX-R2? I realise the LVs are quite a bit more expensive than the SHL5 but they are within my budget whereas the M40.1 is unfortunately not. Like the Harbeth range the LVs have a reputation for putting the performance first and individual hifi attributes second. I have yet to hear the SHL5 but I have heard the LVs about 4 years ago and remember being very impressed. Any feedback would be appreciated.

                              Yours,

                              Col

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                              • SHL5 - long term cost of ownership?

                                As I have said recently here, every speaker designer has a different priority list during design, and the final product reflects both his design priorities and his constraints. It also reflects his pedigree, how much of the speaker history he has absorbed ("there is nothing new under the sun"), how much of a risk-taker he is and what features or characteristics he thinks important and so on.

                                There is certainly room in the speaker world for all manufacturers, as there are so many different opinions about sound and I did a Google search for the product you mention and found the manufacturer's informative web site. I note that they say (I hope that I read this correctly - please correct me if I am wrong) that all their bass units use foam surrounds. They've selected light-weight foam for their own reasons such as prioritising high efficiency. They don't hide the well known fact that foam surrounds rot and disintegrate rather fast especially in humid environments, and for that reason have never been used in 'BBC designs'. They say that their customers can expect about a 6 year lifespan for those woofers, after which they must expect to buy new ones. As the woofers are bought-in (they are frank about this) you'll agree that aside from the replacement cost to the consumer, there is a real risk that the replacement woofers won't be available at all. This is a completely different approach to ours. We are building capital equipment that must work year in, year out without maintenance and that's what professional users expect and demand. And that's built into our price and QC.

                                Before considering any sonic issues of speaker A v. speaker B I'd urge you to consider the long term cost of ownership. Perhaps Harbeths are a little more expensive (I don't know - just guessing) but with a 20+ year operating life when treated with respect they make very good economic and environmental sense. Of course, you are free to chose whatever sound suits your taste.

                                All Harbeth speakers produce warm, involving sound even at a very low listening level in the relative nearfield. That's not an accidental spin-off of the design process but at the top of my priorities list (along with zero listening fatigue). It reflects how our speakers must perform in the real-world studio environment, in busy, noisy control rooms where the sound engineer has to listen at a low level but still must be able to make critical decision about sound balance.
                                Alan A. Shaw
                                Designer, owner
                                Harbeth Audio UK

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