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  • Spikes for custom build stands?

    G'day mate
    check your inbox - I have sent a couple contacts for speaker spikes.
    Cheers
    Andrew

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    • Spikes for custom build stands?

      Thanks for your suggestions =) Please see my reply in your inbox.

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      • Re: Harbeth SHL5 specific

        After considering the cost of building my own stand (or more accurately get a professional to do it for me) I have decided to get the skylan stand instead. Thanks to those who responded =)

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        • Re: Harbeth SHL5 binding posts (biwireable)

          I would like to know if these binding posts accept only bananas or not.

          Thanks.

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          • Re: Harbeth SHL5 specific

            Banannas, spades, or bare wire.

            John

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            • Re: Harbeth SHL5 specific

              Well, two months later now...With my new Super HL5's, these have been some of the most exciting weeks of my music-listening life. These speakers are so well-balanced and sound so natural and engaging, proving it really is possible to listen to music through a highend hifi-system, without being reminded all the time that's it's only an "electrical recreation" of the truth...
              Very well done, Alan!

              For those interested, here's a link to my system :
              http://my.hifi.nl/index.php?user=7260

              It is of course in my own language (Dutch), but I'll gladly translate if somenone would want so.
              And don't be fooled by my beard, it's false!! :-)

              Very pleasant to mention that despite the relatively modest price of my system, it is getting very high marks from the (mostly Dutch and Belgian) readers, facing very expensive competition(+100.000 Euro-systems). The Harbeths do have a certain appeal, I believe...

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              • Re: Harbeth SHL5 specific

                Originally posted by Tjoeb View Post
                Well, two months later now...With my new Super HL5's, these have been some of the most exciting weeks of my music-listening life. These speakers are so well-balanced and sound so natural and engaging, proving it really is possible to listen to music through a highend hifi-system, without being reminded all the time that's it's only an "electrical recreation" of the truth...
                Very well done, Alan!

                For those interested, here's a link to my system :
                http://my.hifi.nl/index.php?user=7260

                It is of course in my own language (Dutch), but I'll gladly translate if somenone would want so.
                And don't be fooled by my beard, it's false!! :-)

                Very pleasant to mention that despite the relatively modest price of my system, it is getting very high marks from the (mostly Dutch and Belgian) readers, facing very expensive competition(+100.000 Euro-systems). The Harbeths do have a certain appeal, I believe...
                welcome to world of Harbeth. I can fully understand how you feel. I had the 7 for 5 yrs plus and the 5 for 1 yr plus now..I love both very much...

                Yesterday, I heard few Karajan recordings...the musics from my Harbeth touched me so much. I can smell string instuments wood body and brasses metal texture without exgressive edge and brightness. I can feel Karajan passion in each cd. His musics are not perfect..but his is great!

                I am in my music paradise with Harbeth.



                "Bath with Music"

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                • My Harbeth SHL5 story

                  Dear All

                  Because I am wary of any 'honeymoon' effect in assessing a new hifi component, I have resisted the urge to post on this thread until now. I have had a pair of SHL5s for 15 months and I am extremely pleased with them.

                  I started following the Harbeth user group discussions in the period leading up to my purchase and I found a lot of useful information here that influenced my final choice. In case there is anyone else out there following the same process it may be helpful if I summarise "my route to SHL5s".

                  I started 33 years ago and though my musical tastes have broadened I have retained the same core (classical and jazz) so my hifi requirements have changed little i.e. transparency, accuracy and musical involvement. For my first hifi system I chose Celef MiniProfessional speakers, as I could not afford Spendor BC1s which were my favourite. While the Celefs had the more accurate bass and were very 'involving', I found their treble could become tiring on some material so 7 years later when I could afford it I replaced them with Spendor SP1s.

                  The SP1s were an excellent compromise - they may not have had quite the mid-range magic of the BC1s but the bass was better, if not as good as the Celefs. So 15 years later when practically everything else had been upgraded in the system I set out to see whether I could find some better speakers. My only real criticism of the SP1s was that they were too "comfortable". They could cope most effectively with all music, including poor recordings, but they did not present as much of the "challenge" of the music that can be experienced live, as I would like.

                  Interestingly I did not audition the SHL5s as they had the same roots as the BC1 and SP1 (BBC spec boxes) and I (mistakenly) thought that they would sound very similar. After auditioning a large number of speakers I bought a pair of Audio Physic Avanti 2s, which gave me what I was looking for, as well as superb bass (this model was an infinite baffle design) and fantastic imaging. To cut this long story short I had to replace these when I was unable to reproduce their original performance following damage inflicted by an amplifier that had inadequate protection circuitry.

                  My 10 years experience with the Avantis gave me a good yardstick by which to judge alternatives and I am very happy with the SHL5s. Compared to the Avantis they are better integrated from bass to treble and more transparent in the mid range. They do not provide such holographic images (in our room at least) and I have had to work hard to get a really tuneful, solid bass.

                  The transparency and accuracy in the sound from the SHL5s has caused me to re-assess other parts of the system and hence make worthwhile improvements (I'll comment on these on a more appropriate thread).

                  David Lovell

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                  • SHL5: utter coherency and unforced midrange....

                    I just heard the SHL-5 and Compact 7ES-3 back to back at my dealer last weekend and was floored by the utter coherency and unforced midrange that these speakers possessed. I am now leaning towards getting the SHL-5. My dealer informed he does not take in eucalyptus finish for the SHL-5 and only import the cherry finish due to poor demand of the former. My question is, can Harbeth UK encourage dealers to carry at least two "standard" finishes (cherry and eucalyptus) so that customers can have more choices to choose from? I would appreciate if someone can post a picture of the SHL-5 in eucalyptus finish here as I am curious to know how it would look like in that finish.

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                    • Re: Harbeth SHL5 specific

                      Originally posted by keithwwk View Post
                      welcome to world of Harbeth. I can fully understand how you feel. I had the 7 for 5 yrs plus and the 5 for 1 yr plus now..I love both very much...

                      Yesterday, I heard few Karajan recordings...the musics from my Harbeth touched me so much. I can smell string instuments wood body and brasses metal texture without exgressive edge and brightness. I can feel Karajan passion in each cd. His musics are not perfect..but his is great!

                      I am in my music paradise with Harbeth.

                      Hi, my first post here, hopefully not my last!

                      I'm going to be auditioning a pair of SHL5's in London this weekend, and will be taking the Karajan Sibelius along with me (as well as a few others).

                      btw, Have you heard the Testament recording of the Brahms 1st?

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                      • Re: Harbeth SHL5 specific

                        My room is on the smallish side of things at 3.5mx5.2m with the speakers along the short wall. The speakers will have ample space from the back wall (>1.0m clear). Since the width of the room is only 3.5m, will the SHL-5 sound okay close to the side walls?

                        May I know the recommended arrangement of treatments for the SHL-5 in order for these speakers to sound at their optimum? Do the speakers benefit with absorption or diffusion on side walls and front walls?

                        Below are the arrangement and photos attached for your easy reference. Any advice would be most appreciated(especially from the man himself).
                        Attached Files

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                        • Re: Harbeth SHL5 specific

                          Originally posted by Stephen PG View Post
                          Hi, my first post here, hopefully not my last!

                          I'm going to be auditioning a pair of SHL5's in London this weekend, and will be taking the Karajan Sibelius along with me (as well as a few others).

                          btw, Have you heard the Testament recording of the Brahms 1st?
                          Hi Stephen,

                          Welcome on board!

                          Do let us know what is your impression after auditioning the 5.

                          Silly me, I stil got zero music collection from Testament. Can you pm me his Brahms 1st cover please?
                          "Bath with Music"

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                          • Re: Harbeth SHL5 specific

                            Originally posted by ryder View Post
                            My room is on the smallish side of things at 3.5mx5.2m with the speakers along the short wall. The speakers will have ample space from the back wall (>1.0m clear). Since the width of the room is only 3.5m, will the SHL-5 sound okay close to the side walls?

                            May I know the recommended arrangement of treatments for the SHL-5 in order for these speakers to sound at their optimum? Do the speakers benefit with absorption or diffusion on side walls and front walls?

                            Below are the arrangement and photos attached for your easy reference. Any advice would be most appreciated(especially from the man himself).
                            Hi ryder,
                            I think this is very hard to tell how to optimal sound whithout knowing the actual acoustic property in a room. But lucky, harbeth no need exotic room treats to sound half Best!

                            My room is 3.3 x 5.5x11H (m). In my room, I got serious midbass issue when I place my Harbeth at short side. I now playing them at long side to give me best compromise musical playback. I felt my 7 or 5 sound best when away from side wall at least 3m. Btw, your room acoustic property sure differ from mine, so you still need to try.

                            Personally I do not feel 5 need much room treat. What I saw in your pic, you got some basic treatments at corners and back wall. I didnt see any treatment on the side wall and maybe you can add that on.

                            You can take a look some harbeth users room in below link:
                            Photos of your beloved Harbeth Speakers & Setup
                            http://www.harbeth.co.uk/usergroup/showthread.php?t=338

                            Just my 2 cents.

                            Cheers!
                            "Bath with Music"

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                            • Re: Harbeth SHL5 specific

                              Thanks for your response and the link keithwwk. The Harbeth rooms look fabulous.

                              May I ask if you are in Malaysia or Singapore? If you are from Singapore, may I ask if the dealer has eucalyptus finish for the SHL-5 speakers? Thanks in advance.

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                              • Re: Harbeth SHL5 specific

                                Hi ryder,
                                What I know is the finishing you mentioned is a special order and need an additional charge. Cherry is the normal finishing that most showroom have.

                                I suggest you email or call them to verify yourself.

                                http://www.harbeth.co.uk/uk/index.ph...ge=wheretobuy2

                                Cheers!
                                "Bath with Music"

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