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  • Re: Harbeth SHL5 specific

    Originally posted by A.S. View Post
    Sorry to hear about this. Could you email us at the office with serial numbers and confirm that you have Registered these on the Harbeth website where we will be able to look after you directly.

    It sounds like either the driver needs re-tightening or that there is a tiny piece of grit in the divers voice coil. Initial suggestion: re-tighten the four screws using a good quality Pozidrive PZ2 (not Phillips) screwdriver. If that doesn't solve the problem step two would be to unscrew the screws and without unplugging from the wire harness, rotate the driver through 180 degrees (upside down) and re-fit.

    Please let us know off-group direct at the office email. Many thanks.
    Hi Alan,

    Just to update you that I've tried what you suggested, and it works. Strangely, the screws did not seem loose when I took the PZ2 to them. But when I turned the driver 180 degrees and re-fitted, the problem seemed to have vanished.

    I'm just left curious and wondering what could've gone wrong!

    In any case, I have sent my serial nos. to your company e-mail. Here's extending my gratitude, and for the record, I truly appreciate that you take time out to personally reply to our posts. Your views are both insightful and enlightening.

    Thanks once again.

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    • Re: Harbeth SHL5 specific

      Glad to hear that the problems seems resolved and I appreciate the kind words. Some days I have more time than others, and if I see a subject that I can throw some light on I fire up the PC and bash away! As to what the problems was I don't know, but vented speakers are by definition, open to the atmosphere on both sides of the cone.
      Alan A. Shaw
      Designer, owner
      Harbeth Audio UK

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      • Re: Harbeth SHL5 specific

        Quick update,

        Coming up to six months with the SHL5 and I couldn't be happier, although I have to report a very minor problem, I have all my TV equipment hooked up to the main hi-fi and whenever there's a car alarm in a program, I have to check that it's actually on TV and not outside.

        They are just that lifelike!

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        • How far or near? Is it an absolute for all types of music?

          Hi,

          May I ask if the idealised speakers position as shown in the Harbeth manual is applicable to all types of music genres? IMHO, depending on the type of music the speakers position (how far or near to each other) varies to sound ideal for different types of music.

          For an example, music such as Rolling Stones or loud rock music sound better with the speakers are closer than normal. For good true stereo recording such as Clarity Recording Sampler I found they sound the best atleast 30cm more apart.


          Right now my speakers are 197cm apart (room width is 368cm, stting about 249cm away from the speakers in ). This is already 25% shorter than the idealised placement. I find the most suitable placement is 177cm apart but this makes the soundstage (left and right presentation) smaller.

          Am I imagining the differences or is there a valid explanation for this observation?

          BTW, can anyone help me with the search function? I just can't figure out how to narrow my search because either it returns too many hits or none( when I use the advanced search feature).

          Rgds,
          ST

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          • Re: Harbeth SHL5 specific

            Hi, this is my first message, i going buy one pair of SHL5, and i have one doubt:

            The spade model for the SHL5 binding post, is 4 mm. or 8.3 mm. . I have Cardas Cross and Cardas Quadlink, and i not sure if, i can to employ theses cables.Thanks and regards.

            (Sorry,my english level is low) .

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            • Re: Harbeth SHL5 specific

              Originally posted by francisco View Post
              Hi, this is my first message, i going buy one pair of SHL5, and i have one doubt:

              The spade model for the SHL5 binding post, is 4 mm. or 8.3 mm. . I have Cardas Cross and Cardas Quadlink, and i not sure if, i can to employ theses cables.Thanks and regards.

              (Sorry,my english level is low) .
              Cardas spades are not optimal for Harbeth binding posts. The spades are too small. But You can use them if You put one leg of the spade into the hole of the binding post.

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              • Re: Harbeth SHL5 specific

                Then, is true that the harbeth´s binding post are for 8.3 mm. spades?, in the harbeth web page, say that the binding post are four 4 mm. gold-plated:

                Transducer system 3-way reflex ? 200mm RADIAL? bass/mid, 25mm tweeter, and 20mm SuperTweeter.
                Freq. response 40Hz - 24kHz +/-3dB, free space, 1m with grille on, smooth off-axis response.
                Impedance 6 ohms ? easy to drive.
                Sensivity 86db/1W/1m
                Amp. suggestion Works with a wide range of amplifiers, ideally from 25W/channel.
                Power handling 150W programme
                Connector Four 4mm gold-plated binding posts for wires or plugs (biwireable) Dimensions (hxwxd) 638 x 322 x 300mm
                Finish Cherry, eucalyptus, rosewood.
                Space needs Overall response optimised for use away from walls.
                Stands To bring ears level with tweeters: typically 16-20 inches.
                Weight 17.2kg each, unpacked
                Packing Single speaker per protective carton

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                • Re: Harbeth SHL5 specific

                  I think they must be 8.3 mm.
                  I have owned both HL5, 7ES3, and P3. I have several Cardas loudspeaker cables. On all loudspeakers the spades have been too small. All other 'highend cables' with Cardas spades, I have tried, were all too small for Harbeth binding posts.

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                  • Re: Harbeth SHL5 specific

                    But, you have HL5, no SHL5, i think that they are 4 mm., no 8.3 mm.Regards

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                    • Re: Harbeth SHL5 specific

                      I did have SHl5, sorry. They were too big for cardas.
                      I now have 7ES3, they are also too big for cardas.

                      Here specs for my 7ES3:

                      Transducer system 2-way reflex ? 200mm RADIAL2? mid/bass unit, 25mm dome tweeter with HexGrille .
                      Freq. response 46Hz - 20kHz +/- 3dB, free space, 1m with grille on with smooth off-axis response.
                      Impedance 6 ohms, easy to drive.
                      Sensivity 86dB/1W/1m
                      Amp. suggestion Works with a wide range of amplifiers, ideally from 25W/channel.
                      Power handling 150W programme
                      Connector Two 4mm gold-plated binding posts for wires or plugs
                      Dimensions (hxwxd) 520 x 273 x 315mm
                      Finish Cherry, eucalyptus, rosewood, maple.
                      Space needs Overall response optimised for use away from walls.
                      Stands To bring ears level with tweeters: typically 15 - 21 inches.
                      Weight 13.2kg each, without packing
                      Packing Single speaker per protective carton

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                      • Re: Harbeth SHL5 specific

                        What speaker cable model, you have?- I have the Cardas Cross, and Cardas Quadlink.

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                        • Re: Harbeth SHL5 specific

                          Golden reference, Neutral reference, and SE-9. I did have Cross earlier.



                          These spades (ca 7mm wide):
                          :http://www.partsconnexion.com/product1031.html

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                          • Re: Harbeth SHL5 specific

                            o.k., but what is the measure, (in mm.), of the harbeth´s (SHL5) binding post ? Can to be 4mm. as say in the Harbeth web?.Because if they are 4 mm. then no problem

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                            • Re: Harbeth SHL5 specific

                              Hi, anybody know when will have the new SUPER HL5 model?
                              I supose with the new Radial2, or żanything else?.I want buy the SHL5, but i have heard,(rumours),that the new model go soon.
                              Regards.

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                              • SHL5 plans?

                                Absolute BS. Never, ever, trust rumours. Ask me. There is no plan to 'look' at the SHL5 this year. As a responsible manufacturer we not only have to find a technical reason to make a change, we also have to consider very carefully the commercial situation. In particular, we have to be careful that there are not unsold stocks of the outgoing model as it would surely alienate our distributors if they were sitting on old stock. Product revision strategy is one of the most difficult business decisions a manufacturer can make and no third party - and certainly not the rumour mill - can know what we're really thinking here, and the business logic behind it.

                                Obviously, in a public forum like this I cannot discuss the fine detail of our plans, but I think that a very careful reading of my comments will usually give you the information you seek. I try my very best to hint at what I'm looking at without actually saying so. I'm reminded that the very reason that Mr. Harwood's original Harbeth company was commercially ruined was because he announced that he was dropping the polypropylene-based Mk3 for the Audax made, TPX based Mk4. They couldn't deliver and nobody wanted the outgoing model. I arrived at just that moment and rescued the situation.
                                Alan A. Shaw
                                Designer, owner
                                Harbeth Audio UK

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