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"This Harbeth User Group (HUG) is the Manufacturer's own managed forum dedicated to natural sound, realisable by controlling the confounding variables between tthe microphone and the listeners' ears.

For example, the design of and interaction between the hifi amplifier and its speaker load can and potentially will alter the sound balance of what you hear. To reproduce the sounds captured by the recording microphones, as Harbeth speakers are designed to do, you would naturally select system components (sources, electronics, cables and so on) that do not color the sound before it reaches the speakers.

Identifying components for their system neutrality should, logically, start with the interpretation and analysis of their technical, objective performance, as any and every deviation from a measurably flat frequency response at any point along the serial chain from microphone to ear is very likely to cause the total system to have an audible sonic personality. That includes the contribution of the listening room itself.

HUG specialises in making complex technical matters simple to understand, aiding the identification of audio components likely to maintain a faithful relationship between the recorded sound and the sound you hear. With our heritage of natural sound, HUG cannot be really be expected to guide in the selection, approval, endorsement or even discussion of equipment that is intend to introduce a significantly personalised sound to the audio signal chain. For that you should do your own research and above all, make the effort to visit an Authorised Dealer and listen to your music at your loudness on your loudspeakers through the various electronics offered there. There is no on-line substitute for that time investment in a dealer's showroom.

If you desire to intentionally tune your system sound to your personal taste, please consider carefully how much you should rely upon the subjective opinions of strangers. Their hearing acuity and taste will be different to yours, as will be their motives and budget, their listening distance, listening loudness and listening room treatment, not necessarily leading to appropriate equipment selection and listening satisfaction for you.

Alternatively, if faithfully reproducing the sound intended by the composer, score, conductor and musicians over your speakers is your audio dream, then understanding something of the issues likely to fulfill that objective is what this forum has been helping with since 2006. Welcome!"


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  • #31
    Re: Please recomend a amplifier for me

    Originally posted by juncool
    ... am I right?
    It is not possible to accurately answer your question. You have to think about total system synergy - that means the music, the room, the speakers, the CD player, the cables the amp and your tastes and expectations.
    Alan A. Shaw
    Designer, owner
    Harbeth Audio UK

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    • #32
      Re: Harbeth NRG 4

      Hi,Alan
      My listenning space is about 35m2, and my CD player is rega planet, I like classical music and some old songs

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      • #33
        Re: Harbeth old models:

        Hi A.S

        My Harbeth Monitor HL MK.III is having some problem. There is a lot of yellow colour powder falling down from its tweeter's soft dome (Audax HD 12x9 D 25). The sound is still perfect, but I do not know how to deal with this problem. Can you guide me how to treat this Audax tweeter, or what replacement for this tweeter should I buy?

        Thank you very much
        Truong
        Harbeth Fan in Vietnam

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        • #34
          Replacements for Audax tweeters?

          Hello,

          I am really sorry to say that the Audax tweeter has been out of production for many years now and the Harbeth Mk3 ceased production about 25 years ago. The spares situation is detailed here: http://www.harbeth.co.uk/sales/servi...ares/index.php

          In your situation I would not attempt to make any changes to the tweeter until it completely fails. After then, I guess that you could fit any 25mm soft dome unit. Please note that on the Audax magnet there is a black sticker: that is the cold or negative terminal. There may be red paint on the other, hot or positive terminal.

          If you do replace the tweeter please be sure that you connect the new tweeter the same way. Ignore the colours of the wires used - just solder whatever colour is connected to the Audax red terminal to the new tweeter's red terminal.
          Alan A. Shaw
          Designer, owner
          Harbeth Audio UK

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          • #35
            Re: Harbeth old models:

            It is perhaps worth noting that the Audax 12x9 tweeters had a unique mounting plate, one not shared by any tweeter in current production, and that NOS spares of that tweeter are extremely hard to come by. That line of tweeters was discontinued even before Harman bought the Audax company IIRC. Harman later dissolved the company and discontinued all products.

            However, some Audax models are becoming available again after what amounts to a private buy-out of the rights to the Audax name and drivers. This may mean that 12x9 tweeters may also become available again (then again, it may not).

            Alan's advice to do nothing so long as the tweeter works is spot on, therefore. If a tweeter does fail in a couple of years, maybe the spares situation will have improved.

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            • #36
              Re: Harbeth old models:

              Thank you for your advice

              Hope that my tweeter will last for long time. I have searched Audax forum (http://www.audax.fr/forum/read_mess.php3?id=29864) and some people said that the Monacor DT250 or DT100 can be considered. Besides, the Audax TW025 A0 can be a good replacement too.

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              • #37
                Re: Harbeth NRG 4 specific

                Greetings to all (Hello Alan after some years).

                I hope my maiden post on this forum isn't inappropriate, but is the NRG series available in the UK?

                The UK audio scene has changed so much in the few years I've been away (as have I...). It seems that very few people like or seem to want a good sounding audio system at home these days, let alone pay a fair price for one.

                Having only recently stumbled on the NRG series site I was keen to hear what a more domestically acceptable speaker (in smaller UK homes like mine) would sound like given experienced designers who want far more than the "boom-tizz flash-box" that still dominates the lower end speaker market.

                To close, I'm really pleased that Harbeth has stayed true to the philosophy started by Dudley Harwood (a dear gent whom I had the pleasure to meet in the early days) and that you seem to be thriving on it.

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                • #38
                  Re: Harbeth NRG 4 specific

                  Hello David,

                  Good to hear from you again and welcome.

                  I, like you, had an opinion that "few people [in the UK] like or seem to want a good sounding audio system ...." but I have been astonished how things have changed around in this our 30th year. The sales stats. show that our sales in the UK this year are nearly ten times what they were last year - admittedly not as big as many overseas markets for us but nevertheless that proves two points. A, that there really are people who care and are willing to pay for great British audio and B, that the effort we've directed at Promotion this year really has been worthwhile. Needless to say, PR will continue and increase not only in the English language.

                  As for NRG - we have stocks of many of the piece parts but a small organisation like Harbeth really has to focus its efforts. The HL and Monitor series sell themselves; the RADIAL cone audibly (and technically) differentiates these traditional models from everything else on the market. NRG is great product (I use them for my own TV system at home) but needs much more Promotion in a crowded AV market than we can muster at this time. We'll return to the NRG market sector when we have more physical space, that being the limiting factor on our growth.

                  I would add David - and you'll appreciate the comment as an ex hi-fi retailer yourself - that Andy, Anne and I micro-manage Harbeth for the long term. That means lowest possible operating costs and low 'drag' holding back the business. That gives us the freedom to move at our own pace, maintain a consistently high standard of production and above all to adhere to our original ethos without accountants/investors/consultants etc. pulling us this way and that to chase illusory markets.
                  Alan A. Shaw
                  Designer, owner
                  Harbeth Audio UK

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                  • #39
                    Info on Harbeth S8?

                    Does anyone have any information on Harbeth Model HL-S8? It's a floorstander that I saw advertised for sale.

                    Thanks.

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                    • #40
                      Re: Harbeth old models:

                      Could anyone give me information on model Hl K6
                      it is for sale in the Netherlands. The seller says it is the forerunner of the monitor 30. Does it have a radial driver?

                      With kind regards

                      Martin Buninga

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                      • #41
                        Re: Harbeth old models:

                        Originally posted by Martin Buninga View Post
                        Could anyone give me information on model Hl K6
                        it is for sale in the Netherlands. The seller says it is the forerunner of the monitor 30. Does it have a radial driver?

                        With kind regards

                        Martin Buninga
                        No the K6 is not the forerunner of the M30 though they are physically similar. The K6 in fact sits in between the C7 & P3. It is a marriage of the C7's Radial woofer & P3's 19mm aluminium dome tweeter in a slightly smaller cabinet than C7. Sound is typically Harbeth. Smooth, musical, involving, sweet & above all tonally/timbre correct. Perhaps the other similarity of the K6 & M30 is that both have their Radial woofer mounted from inside the baffle, just like the mighty M40.1.

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                        • #42
                          Re: Harbeth old models:

                          Hello Gan CK, Thanks for the very useful and quick reply!

                          Martin Buninga

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                          • #43
                            Re: Harbeth old models:

                            Originally posted by Martin Buninga View Post
                            Hello Gan CK, Thanks for the very useful and quick reply!

                            Martin Buninga
                            You are most welcome. Listen to a pair of Harbeths & you will come to understand why Harbeth users around the globe stay so devoted to their spks year after year.

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                            • #44
                              Re: Harbeth old models:

                              Hi Gan CK

                              I must confess I already do listen to Harbeth M40 in a sort of music room. I think about buying the HL-K6 for our living room.
                              You can guess I am quite addicted to the natural Harbeth sound!

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                              • #45
                                Re: Harbeth old models:

                                Originally posted by Martin Buninga View Post
                                Hi Gan CK

                                I must confess I already do listen to Harbeth M40 in a sort of music room. I think about buying the HL-K6 for our living room.
                                You can guess I am quite addicted to the natural Harbeth sound!
                                Hi Martin, yeah its very easy to get addicted to the Harbeth sound cos its so natural, smooth, sweet & musical. And once the Harbeth sound gets under your skin, then no other spks will satisfy you.

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