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'Fast' and 'slow' speakers - should 'fast' = painful to listen to?

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  • #31
    "that speaker is darker"

    I don't know where to start this topic... this was a strange day for me...

    Shl5 is good speaker, with a kind of magic sound reproduction, but I always felt that something is missing till today, when my almost three years old daughter told me this: "That speaker is darker"... For few times I had an impression that the image is not very stable and I checked all the parts in my system ... from power cords to chanels of the amps, but after this episod with my daughter, I start to think that could be an Shl5 problem. So I removed the super grilles (even more a good sound but with the same problems) and examinate the loudspeaker. What I found you can see in the pictures from the attachment.

    I must say that my system has a "PRaT" and an very good resolution, so this difference between the speakers was obviously even for my wife after I rise this problem... I got the "right answer" : That speaker (the same) is darker!
    So I have a question:

    Are any references in the Master Log Book about this marks?
    Best regards.


    • #32
      Darkness needs some light

      Originally posted by micron View Post
      ... I got the "right answer" : That speaker (the same) is darker!
      So I have a question:

      Are any references in the Master Log Book about this marks? ...
      Hi Micron,

      I'm sorry to say that but I don't understand your problem by the picture you provide. I can figure that one woofer is darker by color but I'd need two picture of the same reference point to get an idea. Actually, I'm in a dark place regarding your problem. Please, give me some light.



      • #33
        Micro-adjustements and a spec of dirt?

        Hi Sabastien
        Thanks for your care. The adjective "darker" was about sound and not about color of woofer or speaker...
        All that differences were very subtle and I tried to find physical differences between speakers... but the two pictures are from the same ( left ) woofer. And my question was if are any references in Master Log Book for this signs (the scratch and the red point), because this was the first time when I removed the grilles.
        Alan told me "is totally and utterly impossible that the small red item (wool?) can effect the sound" and to use a tweezers to pull it off. I tried but a quarter of the red point is still there because is sticked in a glue. I renounced to try anymore but I press gentle on the membrane to see if the red dot is moving or something... from interior of woofer...
        Anyway, I found another difference at the right speaker (the brightest one). When I looked thru the bass reflex port I saw a corner of the sponge, from the back wall, floating in the air about 3-4 cm. So I pushed back in the place.

        After all this micro-tunings. the stereo image became stable. So I fix the problem (for the moment, at least
        I cannot tell which was the problem... maybe was a sum of problems.

        Best regard