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For example, the design of and interaction between the hifi amplifier and its speaker load can and potentially will alter the sound balance of what you hear. To reproduce the sounds captured by the recording microphones, as Harbeth speakers are designed to do, you would naturally select system components (sources, electronics, cables and so on) that do not color the sound before it reaches the speakers.

Identifying components for their system neutrality should, logically, start with the interpretation and analysis of their technical, objective performance, as any and every deviation from a measurably flat frequency response at any point along the serial chain from microphone to ear is very likely to cause the total system to have an audible sonic personality. That includes the contribution of the listening room itself.

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  • #31
    Re: Close to wall

    Originally posted by adinoto
    Hi,
    My listening space is very limited, size 2.8m X 3.2m. The problem is I cant place the speaker well into room, only about 20-30cm. Currently I'm using HLP3ES, but considering upgrade to Compact 7
    Hello - well as luck would have it I have a pair of C7ES-2 at home at the moment, and my listening space is not much bigger than yours (I will confirm the size later). I've been listening to and measuring the C7 (and others) and am obliged to break my own recommendation of wall proximity - the C7's are much closer than I thought would be acceptable. They sound and measure flat - great actually. Would a picture of my setup be of interest?
    Alan A. Shaw
    Designer, owner
    Harbeth Audio UK

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    • #32
      Re: Close to wall

      It most definitely would to me.

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      • #33
        Re: Close to wall

        That good news,
        How close we talking about?
        And yes your diagram/picture of listening space would be useful

        Regards

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        • #34
          Re: Close to wall

          Originally posted by adinoto
          That good news,
          How close we talking about?
          And yes your diagram/picture of listening space would be useful

          Regards

          If it's any help, I have tried my HP3s at various distances to the wall, and I think they're best about 18" from the back wall (and about 10' from the side walls). That way bass goes much lower than one has any right to expect from such tiny drivers (I can't imagine wanting any more), and the 'speakers themselves simply disappear, with a huge soundstage (way beyond the 'speakers' edges), pin-point imaging, and that peculiar, non-intrusive presence that I have not heard from anything else, including "hi-fi" "Class-A recommended" 'speakers costing much, much more. I know that Alan has a very soft spot for the C7s, which I haven't heard. But don't underestimate these little boxes. They're amazing!

          David

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          • #35
            Re: Close to wall

            Originally posted by A.S.
            Hello - well as luck would have it I have a pair of C7ES-2 at home at the moment, and my listening space is not much bigger than yours (I will confirm the size later). I've been listening to and measuring the C7 (and others) and am obliged to break my own recommendation of wall proximity - the C7's are much closer than I thought would be acceptable. They sound and measure flat - great actually. Would a picture of my setup be of interest?

            looking forward to seeing your setup picture, Alan...

            David

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            • #36
              Re: Close to wall

              Here is one of the C7ES2 at home. As you can see, it's really quite close to the rear wall. Not perhaps theoretically ideal, but it works OK (in the bass).
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              Alan A. Shaw
              Designer, owner
              Harbeth Audio UK

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              • #37
                Re: Close to wall

                Originally posted by A.S.
                Here is one of the C7ES2 at home. As you can see, it's really quite close to the rear wall. Not perhaps theoretically ideal, but it works OK (in the bass).

                thank you, Alan
                without grilles ?

                David
                p.s.
                I sent P.M. to you

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                • #38
                  Re: Close to wall

                  Grilles off so that you can clearly see that it is a C7ES2 and not an M30 or SHL5 - there is quite a bit of optical distortion which distorts the perspective.
                  Alan A. Shaw
                  Designer, owner
                  Harbeth Audio UK

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                  • #39
                    Re: Close to wall

                    Originally posted by A.S.
                    Grilles off so that you can clearly see that it is a C7ES2 and not an M30 or SHL5 - there is quite a bit of optical distortion which distorts the perspective.

                    Thank you Alan !
                    David

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                    • #40
                      Re: Close to wall

                      As an open reel fan I'd be interested in comments about your deck. Ferrograph?

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                      • #41
                        Re: Close to wall

                        >without grilles ?

                        I listen to my SHL5's without grilles since I discovered that low frequencies were creating some physical interaction between the cross-bar on the grille and the Radial driver surround. The sound is a bit brighter as you would expect and also more immediate, I suppose. For now at least, I prefer my Harbeths naked.

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                        • #42
                          Re: Close to wall

                          Originally posted by danrubin
                          >without grilles ?

                          I listen to my SHL5's without grilles since I discovered that low frequencies were creating some physical interaction between the cross-bar on the grille and the Radial driver surround. The sound is a bit brighter as you would expect and also more immediate, I suppose. For now at least, I prefer my Harbeths naked.

                          Alan, what do you think about it ?

                          David

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                          • #43
                            Re: Close to wall

                            I've replied to this one in detail in Home, Technical Questions to the Harbeth Designer.
                            Alan A. Shaw
                            Designer, owner
                            Harbeth Audio UK

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                            • #44
                              Re: Close to wall

                              Don: It's one of my Studers. Technically inferior to digital but beautiful to handle and watch. I've been promising myself for five years to align them - but just no time for such pleasures even though I know exactly how to and have all the gear.
                              Alan A. Shaw
                              Designer, owner
                              Harbeth Audio UK

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                              • #45
                                Re: Getting the best from your listening room [size, furnishings, construction]

                                Alan, I don't want to belabor the amplifier power issue, but am not entirely clear about it. My 170 W(into 8 ohms) amp has meters that indicate that it rarely is using more than 3 or 4 watts; is that all the power that is reaching the voice coils of my SHL5's? Or is there more to the issue? Would I be better off getting a lower powered amp for my Harbeth's?

                                With thanks,

                                Ned Mast

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